Talk:Malchor the Sculptor

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Necessary? Seems more worthy of a note on the Strait of Malchor page. EiveTalk 05:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

It's mentioned on that page. And typically, such pages have been and are made. After all, we have pages like Decimus the Historian on this wiki, and far lesser known folks on the gww. -- Konig/talk 05:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
But Decimus (I'm pretty sure) is still alive. I highly doubt Malchor is alive, and will almost definitely not play any larger role in GW2. It just seems like a waste of space, especially since (as you mentioned) all info on this page is already on the Strait of Malchor page. EiveTalk 05:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Malchor is a historical figure. Decimus sounds like he's dead given the context of an interview with Jeff Grubb mentioning him and the Movement of the World (would a living scribe allow his work to be subject to constant editing and revision?). And not all info - just that it's named after Malchor (I actually removed the irrelevant bit, since it is irrelevant to that page). This article is just a beginning of the gw1 list of not-in-game NPCs. And who knows, maybe he will get more mention. -- Konig/talk 05:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Meh, alright. But the Decimus page says he is an expert on happening from Kormir's Ascension to the present day. That seems to indicate that he is still alive. EiveTalk 05:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Well... whether he's living or not, he "is" an expert (unless he forgot it all with his death). He "was" a member of Durmand Priory if he died though. And since we don't know, present tense is better. Remember: fan wording. -- Konig/talk 07:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Kormir[edit]

Didn't Malchor create the statues of the 5 Gods a looong time before Kormir took / was given Godhood ??Bob soddoth

*Original* statues... Aqua (T|C) 18:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I assumed Malchor was long dead by the time Kormir became a God .. The place where Malchor lost his life now bears his name: the Strait of Malchor." seeing as this was so named in GW Prophecies Bob soddoth 18:26, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Human legends also say/said that the Five created the world, so there you go, I guess. --ஸ Kyoshi User Kyoshi sig2.png 18:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a typo out of folks not knowing GW lore and should be Abaddon (and maybe even Dhuum rather than Grenth). I personally am skeptical on the authenticity of the story, due to such a typo, and the fact it mirrors a greek legend almost perfectly from what was said on Guru2. -- Konig/talk 03:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
There is a thing that should be taken into consideration, this is a human legend. Kormir was likely added into it afterwards, like Abaddon was likely removed from it when all trace of him was banished from the world of the mortals. Well, except for that Abaddon was removed by gods, and I don't see them adding Kormir forcibly in to the legend, especially after the exodus of the gods. But nevertheless, a change in the story to fit the current pantheon does not sound too unlikely to me. --Tuomir 13:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

What?[edit]

If "it was impossible, because of their divine nature, to appear before human eyes without blinding them," how did he manage to make statues of them? pling User Pling sig.png 19:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

^. Thinking the same thing... Aqua (T|C) 20:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Indeed Bob soddoth 20:14, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
perhaps he wasn't a human? 75.90.147.12 20:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
So then who built the city...? There must have been at lot of suicides before the Exodus. -User Eive Windgrace Harbinger of the Deceiver.png 21:26, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Not physical blindness, but blinded devotion, I suppose, considering how Malchor felt for Dwayna. As to who built the city, it's the architecture of the gods according to the Art of GW2 (iirc), so I guess the Six did. -- Konig/talk 03:37, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Explanation here. Chriskang 19:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
So if he went blind little by little as he looked at the gods and Dwayna was the last, doesn't that mean he was nearing complete blindess by the time he saw Dwayna and his vision when looking at her could be akin to beer goggles? For all we know Dwayna is a troll and Malchor was too blind by that point to realise it. 122.111.161.174 03:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Dwayna was both the first and last to be seen - so she's probably the most well detailed. Also note that the comparison is looking at the sun for too long - you can stare at the sun quickly and look away all your life and never go blind because of it. It wouldn't likely be an irreversible thing if you don't go completely blind. -- Konig/talk 04:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Malchor's eyes would have probably been able to recover had he taken his sweet time per statue, but he crafted the statues in succession without rest inbetween. Even if he hadn't lost his eyesight completely after his last statue, his fate already proves that we won't know whether he could have recovered from their brilliance. - Infinite - talk 10:00, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

one thing i dont get...[edit]

"it was impossible, because of their divine nature, to appear before human eyes without blinding them" how the hell were we able to look at abaddon AND dhuum for a full fight without our eyes bursting into flame? even though they're fallen, they're still gods so presumably they would still have their divine auras Getefix 17:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Both of them are partially bound when fought, and I assume this binds their powers as well as their physical forms. Less power == less brilliant which means no blindness. Also kinda explains why we can beat them with no special preparation Thering 18:13, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
being ascended rulez. --you like that don't you..The Holy Dragons 18:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
"Staring at the true face of the Gods is like staring at the sun. If you do so for long periods (not just catch a glimpse), their glory will eventually (fairly swiftly) cause you to go blind." [1]. This, coupled with the fact that 1) when fighting Abaddon the Five gave their blessings, which might have aided in not being blinded and 2) Dhuum isn't the god of death, he's the former god of death (his divinity lies in Grenth), is (likely, for the 2 points) the situation, along with what Thering said - less power=less brilliance. Konig/talk 21:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
For Kormir to take Abaddon's divinity, we had to kill him. Grenth couldn't kill Dhuum, so I think it would be safer to assume that Dhuum still had his divinity, though it may still be diminished since he was weakened. Also, an entire battle is a fairly long period to be staring. 98.237.80.60 23:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Malchor, Grent's father[edit]

Source: http://i.imgur.com/YbSPF.jpg Markus Clouser User Markus Clouser signature img.jpg 09:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

There were thousands if not millions of mortal sculptors - that line doesn't even specify the race of Grenth's father. Konig/talk 09:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I was going to post here, "Malchor the virgin, Dwayna is his waifu", but now I see he scored with Dwayna, and probably devirginized Dwayna mayhaps. edit: Nope, reading further, it seems Malchor died a virgin and it was a different sculptor.Engineer tango icon 20px.png Grenade Kit.png Bomb Kit.png 17:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Do you have a source for it not being Malchor? As far as I know, it's left 100% ambiguous whether Malchor's relationship with Dwayna went beyond Malchor being a yandere/stalker, as well as who that "mortal sculptor" is - that is to say, it's equally likely to be as much as not to be (there's even some implications via one of the Orrian History Scrolls for Dwayna possibly having feelings for Malchor, but it's only a very indirect implication). Konig/talk 17:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I realize this is an old discussion but it seems unlikely he's Grenth's father, He sculpted all the gods including Grenth and that would mean he'd have to had impregnated Dwayna when they first met, and taken long enough for her to give birth to him, him to grow to an adult (unless he was born adult I guess I don't know much of god's reproductive abilities),him to overthrow Dhuum and then have his turn in being sculpted. They don't seem to give a timeline of how long it took him to sculpt each one but that's alot of events to take place.72.241.132.172 19:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Can hear him shouting in Malchor's Leap[edit]

Saw him scream "Dwayna!" while running around in Malchor's Leap, more specifically down south near Hope Falls. Wondering if anyone has actually seen him in that area? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oddsor (talkcontribs).