Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Helpers/Archive 1

What exactly do people in this do? I am thinking of adding my name on the list but I don't understand it fully <.<--/ u /nendingfear 15:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I know, me neither. I'd be interested in adding my name, but I don't know how I could be of any help atm. xD I'm still such a noob. -- Amannelle 15:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

if you sign up in a given area, people who have a question in that area will look at the list and go "oh hey! i can ask that guy and he might be able to give me an answer!" 152.105.167.236 15:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

oh i thought it was like on GWW where it was split into different sections. The same basic idea applies though, somone will see they can come and ask you for help in just about anything. 152.105.167.236 15:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

"This page is a listing of users who are more than happy to answer any questions you may have about the wiki."Dunno how that confused people in the first place. o.0 -- Konig/talk 19:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Currently..Not much to Help with... o_o

^^^ --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 20:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

We Should...

Add Flags Next to Helpers Names to indicate thier Nationality, Just for conveniance --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 13:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

+1 - Infinite - talk 19:16, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

+1 - Aquadrizzt 18:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Agreed --hnzdvn 18:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Or a table with a time zone entry.

Either would do, imo. A F K When Needed 18:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Either would do, except I have this paranoid notion that country flags can lead to discrimination. --Sirrush 18:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

@At whoever mentioned time zones, what about those of us who are on almost all day, with irregular sleep schedules, i can set it up if people are willing to put notes here or on my Talk Page. Aquadrizzt 03:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

People with non-24h Sleep/wake syndrome are only 1 in 2000, I think we'll be fine. ;) --Sirrush 13:07, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

So yeah...I'll be on almost all the time... Aquadrizzt 13:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Fine. Approx active times for people, given in UTC and some random American time zone.

Acceptable? A F K When Needed 19:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

i still say flags, it didnt cause descrimination on GW1W.--Neil • 19:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Why a random timezone? Why not just do 1 for east coast and 1 for west coast, since the majority of North American players seem to be in those. Just my 1 and a half cents. --Amannelle 20:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Dude, not everyone lives in America. Two time zones max (total, not American) imo. A F K When Needed 12:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Lol I wasn't saying replace UTC, I was referring to the "some random American time zone"; if you're going to pick an American timezone, why not pick one with many players? :) Of course, it's totally up to you all, I was just trying to give a suggestion. ^^; --Amannelle 13:28, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, apologies. Yes, of course. That's just me talking in my natural artistic (and misleading to a degree) way. I put it down to being Scottish. Oh well. A F K When Needed 19:34, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) As we resume this conversation a month later (-_-)...we have th required flags now...please just leave a message below this with your nationality and timezone, and I'll put the correct times on... (i.e. Aquadrizzt (talk • contribs • logs • block log) (UTC-4; EST)) Tell me what you think :) Aquadrizzt Main Page Designer 15:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

British, BST :D Shadow Runner 15:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Better yet...in the style of the Admin list, here is a page where you can update your own info. For those of you whose information is already there...I'm watching you...also, if there are any mistakes, I apologize... Aquadrizzt Main Page Designer 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Why are there more people on there than in the GW2W helpers list? Shadow Runner 16:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Some of them haven't put their name on the list, but have put up the userbox... Aquadrizzt Main Page Designer 16:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

They probably think the userbox adds them to a category which is automatically displayed (it'd be a good idea...).

Also for what it's worth I dislike the current stlye, quite a lot. There's a difference between "when someone is active" and "what time zone someone lives in". I liked one, and only one. If it won't be changed I must protest your table replacing the status quo, at this time. A F K When Needed 11:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I can't quite make sure if you understand the difference between "active" and "timezone" in that table. The activity measured there is the overall activity on the wiki. You're active if you've made edits in the past month, after that you fall into the semi-active box, and subsequently inactive. Anyways, if you already got that, my apologies. --Sirrush 09:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I can't quite make sure exactly what you're trying to say.

What I am saying is I think people being seperated based on how active they are has merit, and should probably be included.

I don't think time zones are worth including (people can be active at different times within one time zone). I especially loathe the "Location" section. And yes, I do realize it may have been better to discuss this here, but this page is persumably better for getting attention. Also the table will likely be moved here, and when it is it will validate my choice of talk page. A F K When Needed 18:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

To clarify: I've changed my mind since the above, if that's causing confusion. A F K When Needed 18:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I've just read back and it does seem that I was either confused or just plain didn't get it. Sorry for that, shit happens I suppose. --Sirrush 22:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) As I know for a fact that people don't check the page (my table), would it be far to say that your not really a Helper is your completely inaccesible on this wiki? I say removing everyone in the inactive section, as they obviously aren't going to be able to help you here (they can re add thesmelves when they actually show up and start helping). Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 02:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

There are definitely some inactive users on this list, and there are probably some who are just up there for "prestige," but I am against removing anyone from the list because you never know who's lurking. I actually prefer your table to the current state of this article, though.-- Shew ♠♠♠ 02:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Shewmake. I don't think it'd be right to remove anyone - what if you went "inactive" and lurked on pages, because there was no need for anything. Wouldn't you be a bit upset if you was removed from that list, due to lack of activity? If someone is to be removed. I'd say remove them if they are banned for a long period (like 6 months to at least a year - I know the lengths on wikia and I think they are same/similar here as well. Seems like it so far.) or let them remove themselves if they no longer wish to help anyone. My thoughts on the changes within the "design" are noted on your corresponding talk to that page. Ariyen 04:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should....

Maybe we should have certain sections as to what helpers know and can really help on, instead of just a list of people. Also, for each user page, if users are willing to help out there... Show examples. I believe on each user page, users should show examples of what they know, from main talk, to user pages, to processes and practices, to community participation. 72.148.31.114 06:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Look up. --Neil • 22:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Yea, like when is that going to be implemented? or have enough consensus for an implementation? 72.148.31.114 04:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

When someone gives a damn, aparently. until then, people like us just sit back and watch o_o --Neil • 16:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I just am not inclined of people adding themselves that may not know things... I prefer people who do. x.x 72.148.31.114 16:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Who says i know anything?--Neil • 17:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

You do know some. I like your page as it's creative with the scarecrow. Ariyen 17:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

If someone adds some flag tangos from GWW, we could easily update the table. I say that because right now I cannot be arsed to do it myself. - Infinite - talk 18:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, There are some flags uploaded. Just looked in the unused files again. Ariyen 20:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

(Most flags are used here already ) --Neil • 21:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, we forgot about that mostly. Replace old table with that table and update it? - Infinite - talk 22:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I sort of prefer the one on the talk... The ones on the user page look kind of cluttered to me at least at the top part. Perhaps something more simplified? After all don't want it to be exactly like the admin noticeboard on gww. I'd say for the colors, use the colors from the main page here. Like instead of the light blue, use the light green. Ariyen 23:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Thought Involving Helpers

Hypothetically, what if a helper is banned (for an extended period of time)? First, to have received such a ban, they must have done something severe and drastic, and do we really want new wiki-ers going to them for help? And when the younglings do go for help, they wait and wait for a response from a person who cannot (within the rules of bans) answer. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 04:06, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Simple, we remove the banned users. They cannot help when banned and if they behave, they can add themselves back. 72.148.31.114 04:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

That sounds pretty good to me. -Auron 09:03, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

It has been done... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 03:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Banned as in banned for a while or banned as in just banned at one point?--Neil • 13:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Banned as in banned for about 6 months or longer. 72.148.31.114 19:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Overall or separately? ;3 --Neil • 17:12, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Separately. Ariyen 19:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Bump

I like Aquadrizzt's version of the page, at least as a skeleton, and would like to see some discussion on implementing it or improving it. --ஸ Kyoshi 06:32, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Far as style, I like Aqua's first version, but I'd like the key to be above the actual list and the addition of type so that we can put in where we'd best help at. It'd help not only the users, but the rest as well. I don't think we'd want some one asking a question to a helper on something that they're not familiar. Ariyen 07:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

True, and maybe we should remove some in-active users? (most are there (I Think)for the looks) --The Holy Dragons 07:47, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I think we should actually redo the whole page when the new design is placed, so that each person can place in their type and it'd weasel out the "I just want to be here for looks", etc. Ariyen 07:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Exactly ^^ --The Holy Dragons 08:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) We should start with a consensus on splitting Helpers in categories yes or no and then decide what lay-out we're going to use. Enticing said consensus, I think we should split into categories and have one helper pick up to 2 categories to be placed in.

Looks matter less, but I'd like to see a table with nationality flags where people can determine who to ask for help if English is not well enough within their capabilities. Not trying to sound degenetory, but I am usually entranced by how many mistakes a non-native is capable of making. (Like me, totally! But obviously not all non-natives.) - Infinite - talk 12:04, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I would be opposed to trying to "fit" people into helper topics. Many people can do several of the topics (formatting, policy, coding, etc). And to have a section that lists capabilities would just get messy. Most people stalk the RC anyways, and if a question is asked, it's never too much trouble for someone to jump in and answer, even if the question was not directed at them. The main thing is that the question be asked in the first place, once that's done it's bound to get answered. For this reason, I prefer the first layout. It's neat and organized. Venom20 14:03, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Then let people add themselves to a helper topic. We can have an "uncategorized helpers" section and ask users who are there to categorize themselves (or where they would like to be categorized). And of course we could allow a user to be in more than one section. Also, stalking RC to see if questions are asked to people who don't know answers is much more roundabout than necessary. --ஸ Kyoshi 19:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, I would agree with flags for a person's main and fluent languages, at the very least. --ஸ Kyoshi 19:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Always late to my own party. I think that the way GWW does it is perfect for what needs to be achieved. And before anyone starts on the "we're not GWW," remember that we can change stuff up, but there is no reason to change something that is completely functional in its current form. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 03:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

However, GWW has Policies. We do not. There are differences. Hence, I prefer your original idea you had created with a bit of a few tweaks. Ariyen 06:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

GW2W has PP. We can still have helpers knowledgeable in them, even if they're not as concrete as policies were. --ஸ Kyoshi 08:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Whilst we do not have Policies, but rather a PP. We cannot enforce PP because that's not how PP works. We can be helpers for it, though, if we explain why certain actions by contributors are less wanted and/or more frowned upon than others. - Infinite - talk 12:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

PP to me is where sysops should come in, not users who have in the past misused them and been corrected by Sysops. I'd say we leave that out as too many who are not familiar with practices or processes or takes it the wrong way, can use it in the wrong way. 72.148.31.114 16:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

There can be discussion here over whether a user is suited to be under a certain helper category. Some users haven't been corrected by sysops on PP, by the way. --ஸ Kyoshi 18:18, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I like that idea. 72.148.31.114 19:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) To clarify, as it seems that I have caused confusion, I was talking about how I didn't think that there was anything wrong with the GWW helper page. I am very much so in agreement that the policy system there was, lacking a better term, dysfunctional. However, I, looking back at my original design, do not think that using the "List of Admins"-style helper page is truly appropriate, and I much prefer the "GWW Helper Page" style. I was also thinking about using colored dots to indicate activity levels...but still working on design. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 19:48, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, like a stop light kind of dots?... I'm interested. :-) Ariyen 20:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Sounds neat. I dunno if we need anything more fancy than the coloring the page already has, but I don't see any harm in it. --ஸ Kyoshi 20:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

A few tests...

I tried a few tests here User:Ariyen/Sandbox/Helper with having them all sortable, but apparently the locations and timezones can't be sorted so I'm not too fond of what I tried... Ariyen 04:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

It has too much space, would make it a pain to search. --ஸ Kyoshi 08:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree.

No Flag for me :( (BTW i'm Dutch) --The Holy Dragons 11:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I hope I'm not being ignorant, but aren't dutch and Netherlands the same? {{Netherlands}} Venom20 15:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I edited that template as it had a minor fault in it. Netherland <> The Netherlands. - Infinite - talk 15:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, it's no longer Summer Time. - Infinite - talk 15:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Zzz

So this going on hold for a year or are we actually going to do something? --Neil • 15:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Errr, see above, young padawan~ - Infinite - talk 17:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, And that person has been banned for a year, next? --Neil • 17:38, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Scratch that, also, ide suggest adding the spots at the start of thier name. --Neil • 17:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, would line them up better. Also needs to be something explaining which means what, since I can't tell without having looked at the previous version. --ஸ Kyoshi 17:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Working on it ^.^ Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 18:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

How to do this w/out RC spam...

Could I kindly extend a request to all active/semi active/inactive-if-you-lurk to please somehow (talk page, email, smoke signals, etc.) inform me of which areas of the following they are able of helping in? (Just use the numbers, it will help me later.)

1. Practices and Processes
2. Formatting
3. Coding
4. User space

Thanks, Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 03:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Besides smoke signals, won't get rid of much RC spam. Here is fine. Practices and formatting. (Denn and Krayn!) --ஸ Kyoshi 03:54, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm fine with all, though some may object to putting myself in a practices and processes section. I'll say that I have learned alot since implementation. Venom20 04:22, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

1,2,3,4. Prefer 2 and 4 mostly. And RC spam is less pressing if there's no info we can document at this time. ;) - Infinite - talk 11:30, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Oh, and non English languages... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 02:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Spanish. Learning Japanese but I don't know nearly enough to translate. --ஸ Kyoshi 03:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Dutch, though only if I absolutely have to. (I'm not fond of speaking Dutch online.) - Infinite - talk 12:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Helping is a choice, not a requirement. In other words, only mention languages/sections of the wiki that you would enjoy (or at least not frown upon) helping with. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 04:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Then I will stick to helping in English. (At least until we have a desperate lack of Dutchies. (Unlikely for now.) - Infinite - talk 12:08, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

2, 3, 4, english- --Neil • 13:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

1, 2, 3, 4, Dutch,english --The Holy Dragons 15:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)