Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Requests for adminship/Auron

Auron

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Started 07:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Starting off the sysop reconfirmations!

Status

Succeeded, retains sysop role. 22:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Questions

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Discussion

• On the one hand, I feel a little bad just saying "yes, support" without adding any reasoning or discussion - that goes against the entire idea of consensus on a wiki, which (in addition to being a worthy and respectable pillar of the community) is something Auron's fought for over the past years. On the other hand, I don't really feel like there's much to say here - I think everyone's seen Auron's work on the past three wikis. I don't think any of us doubt that he's willing to ban bullshit for being bullshit, stop discussions when they take a turn for the unproductive, or aid the community as a whole with various and sundry. Beyond those three things, what is there to being a sysop, really? Cleaning out candidates for deletion? I don't consider that a huge deal (if you want CfD to be clean, btw, just promote Wizardboy when there isn't a beta weekend). Overall, his history speaks for itself - empirical evidence at its best. -- Armond Warblade 07:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
• Auron has years long experience of adminship on multiple wikis. He has not only had to deal with lots of trolling as an admin, but also on a personal level. He certainly knows how a wiki is supposed to work and does not shy to remind anyone of how it should be done properly. Auron is also one of the most active sysops on GW2Wiki, and while I know a lot of people dislike or outright hate him, and that he as a reputation of a controversial sysop, I don't see how anyone could deny his contribution to the GW2Wiki and its community as an admin. In fact, should the need rise, I'd like to see Auron as a bureaucrat in the future, but given the possible opposion to the idea, Auron's own past rejection of bureaucrat role, and the discussion of electing JonTheMon as the third bcrat, that seems unlikely at present. Mediggo 07:37, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
• Auron is one of the most active sysops we have, one of the most experienced ones, and someone who understands well the role of a sysop in the wiki. However, if he had none of those traits I would still support him, due to one reason: Auron is the only admin we have who is both willing and able to successfully deal with trolls. While other sysops may avoid this part of their role, and others are tangled as trolls weave a net of whining and complains to second guess them, Auron is the only sysop I trust to be capable to simply reply "Bullshit, bye". Even as a small a wiki as this one currently is, the biggest troll we had was dealt with by Auron, showing how even here he is the best person for this kind of thing. Between his experience, no-nonsense approach to issues and his role as the best admin to deal with trolls, Auron is invaluable to this wiki. Erasculio 11:01, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
• Whenever people ask me why Auron is in a position of administrative power, I always reply in earnest; there is not a single sysop as important as Auron. As stated above, Auron knows what to do with his position and he isn't one to shy away from taking action, no matter how dire a situation has become. Many users actually fear his input which may or may not be a good thing, but it testifies the fact that he has an air of authority. Without sysops like Auron—specifically Auron himself—users will be tempted to take being bold past its original definition, only to spark drama in the hope it doesn't backtrack to themselves. Resolving the moment and addressing the cause is what Auron does best, which are vital aspects of being a sysop. An added bonus is the fact that he also doesn't avoid janitorial tasks such as deleting tagged pages and blocking vandals. The package deal here is too experienced and desired that I would consider it a great loss if Auron lost his sysop status. That said, I personally feel that Auron should never attain bureaucrat status had that position been a direct copy of GWWs bureaucrats. Except that is not the case. If bureaucrat status continues to entail sysops with additional tools, then by all means Auron would be a fine candidate for such a position. It wouldn't limit what he does and knows. However, for this reconfirmation I don't feel we should promote sysops straightaway. This therefore includes Auron. - Infinite - talk 13:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
• For those that don't know Auron, he is a self proclamined elitist and a douche. Some would ask why in the world would we even need a elitist douche for a sysop. Simply put, he doesn't care about other people's feelings especially if they are a detriment to the wiki. Does it matter if someone's feelings are hurt if they are banned, told no, etc when said trolls use the wiki as a sounding board for their trolling? I would say no. Auron is not the one who would tip toe around and consider how everyone feels about something. He won't be polite to people who have a history of being an emotional wreck. He also doesn't care what anyone thinks of him. This kind of emotional detachment from the wiki allows him to act swiftly and objectively in a balanced manner. He is in a very cliched sense, the bad cop... something that is always needed, but many people might dislike him. If you are a detriment to the wiki, he will tell you without hesitation, and make you stop one way or another. Despite his abrasive tone, he is not overtly aggressive, and his actions has always been more than fair and highly effective. Therefore, I strongly support him in retaining his sysop seat, and later a bcrat seat. --Lania 15:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
• Auron is a good sysop who rubs some people the wrong way. But they'll get over it. Keep. 19:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
• Auron has a no-nonsense approach that few sysops dare to even wander near. As such, he is an invaluable asset to our sysop team, and I fully support him retaining his admin position. Aqua (T|C) 23:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
• Auron is a unique individual. He brings a no-nonsense attitude and a clarity that is an asset to any administrative staff. He has a unique point of view at times that is a welcome addition, especially at times of major decision making. I remember way back when he was known as Auron of Neon. From then to now, he has shown a growth in maturity without compromising his values. I fully support his reconfirmation. — Gares 04:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
• I honestly cant tell if you are the king of the trolls or if you are a good s/b so strongly oppose.- Zesbeer 12:16, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
• I find Auron to be at times a larger troll than most of the trolls out there. I find him more rude than helpful to most users here, often trying to flex an e-peen. That being said, these assets can be of use to a team of sysops as dynamic as the ones we have here. He does keep the trolls at bay by offering up his own form of trolldom. Of course it does create a double standard, wherein he has the ability to troll but a user does not (generally). While I am close to the fence on the matter, I will still favour his retaining his current powers. Up until now he has never, that I have seen, abused his powers. This being said, if I may offer up a suggestion, I would to see him participate more in conversations on his own talk page. The conversations are littered with conversations that do not include him, with other users rising up to respond for him. Of course this is just a personal observation. TL;DR = I currently will support his non-bs form of government, and agree with a retention of powers. Venom20 15:36, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
• I support his adminship if he doesn't troll, sock, or flirt with the line between "acceptable discourse" and "personal attack". These things don't just have an effect on the discussion that happens to be taking place at the time or whatever, they reflect negatively on the admin team. Other sysops are too often accused of letting Auron "get away with it", which isn't something they should have to deal with (even if those claims are false). On those occasions when Auron does have to be warned (or even blocked), the admin team looks foolish. It's a shame, because Auron is a strong sysop who can both deal with trolls and do janitor work too. pling 23:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

  Sometimes the line must be flirted with to get the job done. Knowing where that line is and how much that line is worth is always beneficial; situations are never black or white, and being able to see the grays is never a weakness. -Auron 08:25, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

  I agree that being able to see the greys can be an asset; however, a double standard should not be created. You should not do something that would get someone else reprimanded if he/she acted in the same mannor. Venom20 20:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

  Being able to see the grays also takes a lot of experience. Maybe something that Auron didn't do very well in the past and used methods that were questionable, but I think he has matured enough to tell where the line is and I trust him to not cross it again. --Lania 15:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

• Agree with retaining sysophood. Auron brings a different approach to handling user-related problems to the sysop team. It's a controversial approach to be sure, but in its own way, it's admittedly quite effective at times. -- ab.er.rant 10:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
• No Auron, no wiki. That is all. snograt 09:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, please. Despite his reputation, he's stellar as a protector of the wiki. I think he cares an awful lot about what people think because he always takes the time to carefully explain the reasons for his administrative actions (suspensions, warnings, suggestions, and yah, bans). What makes Auron important to the wiki is that he doesn't let popular opinion sway him from taking the necessary steps to keep the wiki safe for the community to contribute. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:07, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
• Being right should be the priority over being nice. Having a wiki managed purely by carebears is definitely a bad thing. Auron is, has and will be a counterbalance to being (overly) politically correct and provides a different and valuable view to issues. Pika Fan 15:43, 1 May 2012 (UTC)