Guild Chat - Episode 43
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Guild Chat - Episode 43
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The 43rd episode of Guild Chat aired on October 3, 2016. Join host Rubi Bayer and her developer guests as they talk about the latest Living World update, Rising Flames.
hi everybody happy friday and welcome back to get Chet I'm your host Rudy and we're going to talk about rising flames today we have a lot to talk about so we're going to jump right in i'm going to introduce our guests of let you guys talk about who you are what you do here to read it and what you did for rising flames ok my name is Aaron roxb I'm a game designer and I did mostly the story stuff in both the instances an open-world cool thank you my name is Nell Hughes i worked on the open road stuff yep that was about it and i'll come down yes very I'm link use and i also worked on a map set up and roll possible various to sort of map details what was the second thing again a jumping jumping ok yeah ok yeah ok whatever jumping puzzle will talk about that yes so all right i want to start and talk about amber B itself just designing the map we've talked a little bit about the school theme and I feel like we should have like josh running here build metal let's go as often but I want to talk about designing the map itself and creating the different areas and kind of beyond just the basic look of it can you guys talk some about that yeah you know I think when we got you know the the story beats for the season we really had an opportunity to go to a place that guild wars one players would love so we wanted to go back down to the Fire islands we had an opportunity to do that and we were we wanted to make sure that we were able to show different until different stories we were there so we you know a whole new island has popped up so you don't have to deal with some of the old baggage of the past and or you know they don't have to do with our baggage you know it kind of went through a really long series of changes you know we started out with a very different idea of what it was going to be and then it kind of turned into what it is today you know I'm obsessive when it comes to the script wouldn't potatoes and so you know I figured this would be the perfect place to like debut our pirate script that I've been dreaming about for the last four years nice yeah i think one of the things we came across her Leon is in its natural state the Fire islands is fairly barren and there's like destroyers but there's not a lot of life there's not settlements that is not people they're gonna need an oscillation yeah and so that was one of the big challenges and why you've got things like the the script came via boat and you've got a shipwreck and you've got all that sort of stuff is is to uh some ghosts I just we really tried to brainstorm things that could be there that players could have fun interacting with other than just like the the base few sort of natural things that were there yeah and i think it was you know you put some green in there too so it's not just rocks lava and pain yes we could you paint yeah there's a lot of people think there's a lot of rocks and lava but yes we we did have a little fertile area that we put over there just because I can't deal with all that red thank you so very much um getting around the fire and there's only therefore waypoints yes am I remembering right for tonight thanks for okay yeah well I didn't mean for that to be a trick question ok ok they're very few waypoints in a fairly decent-sized map i like the extra movement things we've got the ley line roller coaster which was super fun you guys surprised me by being surprised that i had like lighting a lot i think i'm starting my ego I appreciate that fit but for those who do have lain gliding unlocked you've got the line roller coaster yeah we've also got the new mastery the thermal propulsion the ruffle shin how did that come about because that was something you guys played around with for a bit before settling on it right yeah it was originally supposed to be loved walking and that's not very fun so we went through a couple different ideas of what we could possibly do we found that our players of the movement stuff so we wanted to kind of go in that keeping that theme and our designer Charlie did a wonderful job working with the check camera changes and just making it feel really fun so yeah so what does love walking pretty much exactly what it sounded like you didn't get Burleson ya gotta feed booth there are different versions are playing around with one of them it was going to be like he turns to stone and so you like tying into the dwarf thing kind of and so you would get that the ideas you'd be immune to burning in general yeah so you could we were initially there's gonna be like at the caldera area that was actually going to be like a lot of a waterfall that you could walk through if you had that figure out that if it still wasn't that much fun though yeah there was talk about actually setting the place on fire and having that be a thing or giving them combat we also wanted like combat like you would do you know you create burning every time you walk through that right I'm but none of those really feel very good so yeah when we got to the other one that was clearly ya want to go with thank you for not setting me on fire hey I don't appreciate that well you can still get that on fire just walk in 11 well that's what i'm saying i can do it all by myself I don't need help yeah I'm fine without that so you came up with the remote with wait I'm there for college and I actually had to write it down because i keep going thermal thermal thing fly through the air we had talked the other day and you guys actually didn't know that the tonics still worked in thermal propulsion oh my gosh no I didn't and I have actually had to go look for the cool videos oh yeah i really want to see what players are able to do with the silliness yeah you guys need to experience for snowballs flying through the air I i love that kind of stuff there there's i think that that adds another where fun to like if I didn't know that the tonics would still work with it but I would have left it probably anyway um I like that way i like the fun that players have been having with the rescuing the script and taking them around bright eyes yes ya holding up in the air oh my god but yeah that tickles me yeah opening the boxes while you're opening the weapon cash for your kind of amazing yeah so you guys happy with how between Laila gliding the waypoints and thermal propulsion have you guys been happy with how everybody is able to move around do you feel like it's working yeah absolutely you know we decided where one way was a a highway kind of counterclockwise and then the thermal propulsion goes the other way so we wanted to just be able to make sure that you could get anywhere on the island quickly that you wanted to get to so yeah I think it turned out really well awesome i'll use a buzzword it's very synergistic gonna say the right energy i think so synergy I'm impressed alright there we go all right marketing buzz word with it I've never used that word in my life I've used in powerpoints have you yeah alright you're pitching things let's talk about the jumping puzzle all the tears a challenge full-back a challenge of tears so I hear it's difficult yeah not going anywhere near it and I'm happy with my life choices in this matter oh no come on you should literally burn like four hours of your life i'm jumping puzzle will be great only to get to the doctor get knocked off I news that is the dairy and did this happen to you or did you just watch it happen to people that happened to me when I was cheating and take me off and I got around ok so if you change is right absolutely deserve that and I just you know I mean you gotta test yes I was cheated on Saturday yeah yeah yeahs channel depth bit yes she'd have had on live reading ok so one more serious note though it is probably the most is it the most difficult one it's kind of different different people have different ideas about what the most difficult one is sort of asking around I haven't done a ton of jumping puzzles because I stink at them yep and when I actually questioned our environment artist Josh about like is this actually possible he like walked me through it he and our words designer Andy like stood behind me for an hour while I just set like a world state where I was and then try to make the jump for my dad restore driving don't fall to my death and they're just like sitting there like cackling haha had like rope guides recently yeah jackie was like oh like put in place holder rope guides and yeah yeah just should like show the path because like once we took them out trying to figure out where some of those jumps are supposed to take you to really difficult a yeah so it's really hard but like some people feel like the the nightmare tower that comes out with a halloween is more difficult because it's time to write answers that time pressure camber and he was was proposing the trolls revenge before we opened up gliding in the open world had been harder yes in Lion's Arch and there's another 1i want to say they were mentioning fireheart rise but it could be wrong but there was some other really long difficult proposal that like just because there is nothing like no checkpoints for really long way I'm longer in this ad . that's true we yeah we added checkpoints initially Josh like didn't intend to have any and because we didn't have a way . nearby that just seems like really really punishing so yeah that's where we added the refreshing mist that you can get a few times on the way up just cool off on yeah it's good stuff so what's the strategy on is it just figure out where the correctly shaped slope is yeah well can you offer players and help tip you will want to glide a cross the the sort of open chalice two horns that are sort of sticking down from the skulls and there's these lava spouts that like turn on and off right the intended path through the puzzle will take you over all those lava spouts so like if you look from where you're at and there's some like lava spots turning on and off and there's a horn over there looks like you could glad to you're probably supposed to go that way so there you go so it's working as intended yeah alright you kind of make me want to try it I mostly just afraid of it have to tell you you should go into it just for the spectacle because when you get in there and this really cool area that Titanic mass of skulls just leering down you from every angle leaping lava yeah it's it's not hard to get actually to ya the thing about amber B I've been running around often on just not even doing events that much just looking and I've heard that I've heard the same thing for players is that it's there's just so much to see so well done on that front yeah yeah shut as much stuff in there as we can it's a good work philosophy to get there and just get in there yet speaking of and you mentioned all the script earlier i wanted to talk about populating the island because again kind of a desolate a hellish wasteland and there's there's some things that are naturally occurring like love monsters the destroyers are there um where did you even begin on populating I mean some of the things were easy to story some of them were story-driven that was wonderful and globs of lava shooting fire at you were kind of a given where else did you go on populating them linkedin most of the population on the mat uh ya heard just looking at other places where we used a lot of environments not Maelstrom fireheart rise seeing just what kind of creatures we could play with there was some other things we wanted to play with but weren't able to make them work some things that had looked right liked are elementals were actually all over the island originally until someone pointed out thar elementals take like critical damage from fire really it probably shouldn't ya later look like turds to well you know variation I just look like a terd that's where and then also did that woman yeah what fits that they used to be there and they are no longer there yeah they end up into pieces pretty much what happened yeah and then just like looking at some bar I'll environments as well you know blood type coast and and South son to see what sort of things had been used for those environments out in the water to populate like sulfur steps and whatever and then of course there's also the peninsula with dinos and oh yeah the Dinos were used enough in my opinion I with the egg more dinos therefore lucky I got some more pocket rafters for you yes you can always tell its motoring because I'm like double it has that have not the 20 back i think we're using no just that that was one of the other reasons we decided early on to include an area with plants on on the island and we look to their areas around like Hawaii and other places that are very volcanic but the volcano actually makes the soil very rich so you get these really cool contrasting like black areas with very green plants coming out of it and once you put plant somewhere on the island then you have the beginnings of an ecosystem and so you can start going beyond just again destroyers and rocks and then you can start having dinosaurs because there's presumably plant-eating dinosaurs than the other ones can eat much like away much like one I said yeah that is true the circus folk lady too that's right let's talk about the circus folk I i called them circus idiots and then I apologize to you guys and you're like no it's not the brightest bulbs the bottom no no no all right my favorite guys the one that takes 50 copper what do you mean I've been running around talking to then I actually have one that i want to ask you about but tell me about their repair guy that will play a trick with you and and yes I'm not gonna tell you that would just take away the fun i will give you 50 copper to tell me know I'm gonna save some time let's go talk to the guy next to the guy that's in love with the problem oh my gosh okay that guy I kind of love I love him whose idea was that that was my yeah writer just like they'll just never heard it was also love it was like yeah and I never want to see this end yeah yeah one who dragged around forever maybe we'll have a show up in the future would like it yeah it on a wagon yeah we got the guys out there and the hitch yeah that's for you there i was like here we are we doing punch but this little here and there it is yes now like is yeah thank you you're welcome maybe they will get hitched that would be fantastic ok so we've got the 50 copper guy you have i'm interested in lava nikon exceptional now that's a good oh the kid lava yeah that's another angel special yeah she's a lot of that like weed placed we had the general idea of there's the circus people here and we place the actual npcs but then she just went through and she just like wrote all these little interactions and dialogues and get up to him so yeah I did all the big dialogues got the entitlement yeah that was amazing I'll for those of you who haven't who haven't gotten to hear the circus for complaining about the sloth she there they're very angry that she wants to eat and live yeah they feed her so she shouldn't either kids love your entitlement there's just you know if it's that there's this whole going back and forth and I was just kind of running around you know looking at the environment and I heard one of and I don't remember exactly what it was but I heard one of them saying you know she's just she's I don't know how much longer I can handle this behavior and that means that you yeah that is fantastic yeah so they're they're feeding her they're bringing her food and she still literally eating her young yep what's up with her I don't know i was just a cranky she's just crazy later okay so how did the circus folk get there is it just their own stupidity that their shipwreck yeah they were I the way I always thought of it when we came up with initially was that they were up at megumi which is far north of where we are and they picked up a sloth there they had in their boat along with probably some other animals and that they got lost maybe there was like a volcano erupted in the smokers anything or they just followed the wrong thing they got lost the shipwrecked down way down there so with with the slot and then they decided to since the sloth was particularly trained that they should train it up and get it ready before they went back and they really have another means to get back until just recently when you know I suppose now that the player and there's a portal there they could get back but they're still pretty this now yeah difference between different bacteria for for the show that they always plan for it they're gonna rip me off my 50 copper i'm not entirely ok so the little kid that was talking about do you guys know i did about her story no I don't know much better okay well alright i will have to ask angel about that later and I'm very good about what the deal is she talks like she's never been to the mainland or she can remember and where hey what's your deal yeah they're supposed to have been there for a while that's not sure I don't know if she would have been born there she could have been too young to you yet but this is exactly the time when ya gotta get up talking to are going maybe if I read her dialogue again right things yeah I would imagine because they're supposed to have been there for a few years I don't remember the exact timeline but like more than one and so I i think definitely more than one here yeah let's get that tattered about training yeah this is this is a fun group you guys did good work with always people and it's a cautionary tale because way back when we first brought the office or and in as a raid boss is looking at these adorable little wings and like I would love to have one of those and i'm looking at a circus full/queen now yeah I don't look right yeah I don't even gotta say now on that one all right i want to talk about the script since you love them so much script don't feel like naturally occurring things in denver bay and get you brought in 750,000 of this with 750,000 it feels like it just love you many there are like yeah i think it there well I think the you tell the okay background yeah I i heard the background for them they so they were pirates on the high sea doing pirate stuff I yeah and they're there captain captain Hughes is a bit unstable gonna use ya later everybody better two-thirds of what sitting over but yeah as as they they were sailing year to amber bay was around the time that the destroyers were popping up and wrecking the place and you had robe and and other doors there the UH I my mind was that the the captain started to see the volcano there and she started to think of it as a great shiny and she got sort of obsessed and she's a little crazy as it is so she thought this is the plan a little pieces yeah she's very crazy so she landed but yeah so he landed them all there and that's when they found a robe and the dwarf who they were all very impressed with his sort of authority and whatnot they decided he must yeah he must be a god or she did as well and convince the rest of them and yes I always thought of them as they're like former Pirates have found religion and so that's that's why they're now fighting the destroyers and working with him and there was also a great fun with sort of the contrast between the sort of stoic kind of grouchy dwarf and the sort of frenetic dumb script that was one of the other initial ideas that the reason he can't send the script to turn the machines on let's go get them together in a group because you know their intelligence is based on the number of other scripts that are near them so get them in a group he'll be like here's where the machines are you should go get them and they're like great let's split up different directions and they'll forget what they're doing and because they get too dumb to write they get you don't have to figure it out and so I yeah but they're there yet the combination of those two that was my that was my favorite things that didn't happen story ya ever when you told me that the other day i'm so happy about that yeah I wish we could have made that work that was uh yeah it was there was a bunch of stuff we want to put another had an original idea that again didn't fit in the dialogue in the story were telling was that basically they were looking at real man as a god and so he would speak very plainly but they would think he was speaking in metaphor is everything going to tell them he'd be like alway leave me alone and they're like you know we need to think about the important things in life and again exactly exactly but again yeah that wasn't quite enough to fit that along with all these it's already pretty dense with story area and so yeah actually I want to talk about this straight you want to talk about one more creature that we populated ever be with where they're kerka yeah so there I am right I'm looking around and thinking you know how can we very what's on this desolate Rock and it's been so long since we've had a reason to go fight script in a new place sorry carcass in a new place so yeah just thought that would be really fun we looked at it and it ended up being the Skerries that it just was a space that made sense for them and in fact originally that area was populated with smoke scale who everyone hates Sorry Sorry play I was some player hate and I'm glad yeah uh yeah uh that the event that like the disillusion script they want to go out and found new scratch fighting a ton of smoke scale out there was was a pretty challenging soon felt better to switch it up for Marquez and the double how far so much better yes yeah it was just it was a fun opportunity and big open space that they made sense for you look really cool I five and they look really cool yeah so did you honestly I would fight a cargo over eight ton of smoke scale oh you have no idea how many there were I don't know scaling they were like 30 gonna no no I wouldn't see anything because no word miss ya my students that we address I'll up that's just weird yeah yeah it was fun to watch destroyers fight smoke skills ok was that was energy let's go destroy destroy is just just happened just you know gosh that sounds amazing an awful as long as I could watch from a safe distance just be like popcorn for days that's fair i never did have smoke steal fight kharka wonder smokes Goodwin okay who would win in a fight smoke scalar Carter here's the thing i need you to find out and let me know that that thing you can arrange yeah graphics ok alright let's talk about story so you worked on the story section will be a role in working with narrative in this so generally narrative it's a sort of a back-and-forth generally narrative will give you a list of story beats that need to happen or should happen or they'd like to happen and you uh you look through them and you figure out sort of okay how do I translate this into gameplay and how do I you know sort of figure out the blocking and we're sort of players will interact and what they will do and then you sort of send that back to them and they look at you go back and forth and sort of very quickly you try to get a playable sort of prototype of it somewhere in the game using usually temporary art and things like that and my own dialogue that I've written that then gets rewritten and yeah so you just sort of back-and-forth play and then feedback yeah okay so let's start with this is going to work our way through and start with x game because that was so much fun and elegant tell you when we were still in the testing phase of this i got into that I stopped playing I tapped out of the game set belly a message and i was like huh who did this whole that's good so how did you how did you get to okay let's use let's use motos thing for this yeah the motor thing was actually josh Mormons suggestion he was one of the original creators of super adventure box imagine he was like hey guys i have this thing yeah yeah that was another thing that again took a lot of iteration to get where we ended up with it the only the only initial sort of plot point was that time is uncovered this sort of a simulation room and that we need to battle destroyers within it so that we have a contrast between all destroyers and destroyers sort of as we move on to the next map so that was all we had initially and there were again a bunch of changes very first version was literally in a volcano and it was completely realistic and it was a we played around with having sort of an unstable environment where would a different props would get from different maps would pop in so you would have you know you'd be in a volcano but then like underwater plants would start to come by and said that ended up with can be chaotic mess i'm sitting down yeah don't yeah yeah and it was it was that kind of idea of weird thats yeah that's true anything in the context of this it's already a very story dense sort of instance to begin within so when on top of the combat and all of the important plot points you then had all this craziness going on around you and made it really difficult to concentrate and sort of a see what's going on so that's why we we pared it down quite a bit and we still put in the the Moto when the transistor just bananas with amazing yes and yeah so that was his idea was destroyed your bananas uh I was going named it that I i believe yeah I i think that was that was all me I'm we we decide as a group your life as you can totally take credit yeah i'll say the group the group decided to put the SABC stuff in there but i implemented the initial version of the the monkey that's so fun I did you were talking about how got so chaotic energy so distracting i did find that it was it ended up striking a good balance between all of the stuff that we need to tell you also you need to fight all of these video yeah and it was almost it was like right at this balance between a little too much and I was thinking okay she's gonna need to stop talking pretty soon yeah and she did yeah so that's worked out well good good good yeah we go again reiterated on that a lot between like looking at the dialogue like there was a version that had more dialogue actually and it was haha yeah but look at it going what is it what is really important or really funny are good and certainly a lot of judicious cutting which is a lot of any kind of design or writing or editing is judicious cutting you know what that's that and so yeah it involved just a lot of that to try to get that balance as close as we could we have versions where you the dialogue and comment were happening at the same time but that was again a difficult process everything at once ya think you know yeah there i think there were there was a time or two when she was saying you know okay real quick before the next wave comes ok now the next week is coming and going to happen thank you for shutting up i love you and because she's getting up right now because I will not listen to you that yeah so I do want to say really quickly if you guys watching have questions you drop them in chat and we will try to answer a couple of them at the end so what we're talking about x games this is more of a narrative thing but i do want to mention I've enjoyed watching timings a character she's getting old and she's she's old know what she's getting into the automaton like chinese ya think she's just email via and it's been she's been an interesting character to watch because she was this like she had that cocky little kid thing where she had no idea of her own mortality or elements and she you know shut up stupid adults I know everything and a cool touch that i noticed in time his game was that she had to admit she didn't know something yes and it pissed her off yeah yeah good luck enjoys it but yeah really quite enjoys it um but relax not doing much of anything right now he's enjoying doing whatever he's doing at the Citadel at the moment but that's yeah he took off and wait no come back with ya things fine yeah we got to watch him show up clean out of spam folder and leave i'm sure you'll come back some yeah that wasn't I'm like ninety percent sure that's not just the end of the character okay you're not gonna tell me are you know I'm right actually I tried ok what we mentioned Roman Roman Roman I just I keep calling him to your face and your rock face rap rock faces that was kind of an awesome addition because i was picturing the whole time the first type later I was picturing rock faces thinking like the great who this big cliff or something and I got in there and found how incredibly literal it was who who did this is all I have how did we get here I like headless I like bodyless heads that talk i don't know if you remember on your face in that there was Decorah run around with the exalted head with a gold guzzler so i figured i will just continue on with that thing that's a grits holding inanimate objects that talk in their hands actually they didn't work pulling ahead but you know the heads that you know palliate or whatever but we just take his thumb yeah we did you take me to always keep your system yep i would really like to just find some way to pick up Romans head stuff in my backpack and had had three wanted a backpack that talked I don't have really you like time he was in there yeah yeah and i want you i want a row handheld version of nomads had decided to because it's that's a traditional Irish name 10-4 darn it if it'd be all right get off show ya alright alright sorry your pins with my kryptonite out right now would also Rodians in there he's got he's very old he doesn't have to have patience anymore right but he's trapped in this big chair with you out of these scripts yeah and it's just the best that yeah it's it's like i mentioned earlier there's a great sort of tension between this guy just sort of stuck in the middle of it with the you know for parenteral perennial II sort of you know grouchy expression on his face as the script go nuts all around him there's one guy who just stands in front of him all day going yeah it's it's a nice contrast between quite entertaining know exactly but this is more open world story content yeah how do you make that work without him concert you know citizens oh don't keep that from happening it's so we actually have so that we did a lot more with open-world story stuff this time and it definitely takes a lot of sort of testing to make sure that that like it took a long time to get it all working but we do have the ability to set things so that only a specific player who has interacted with it can hear it or see it one very subtle thing that is is not super noticeable but it took awhile to get write it as as you turn off the machines when you go through the story he skulls on the central volcano actually go out one by one just for you so like depending on which machines you have turned on and off different skulls will be lit on that central volcano like they're each linked to you can see it best when you do the the circus step actually if you watch the the skull that's right in front of you stand on that Cliff it'll go out and it erupted also get the eruptions also our only depending on where you are in the story you'll see different weapons than this is so this is more far-reaching just right here on the machine the little ball yeah yeah the ball changes for you the the game when you talk to any quest npc the you should be the only one who hears it yeah so that's imported pretty good fine-tuning yeah it takes a lot of it does take a lot of testing to make sure every little thing that's been said has been set and that you have to get in playing multiple characters yourself and sort of try to have different angles but i think it turned out well I think so too because we don't have all of these npcs yelling the same thing right 43 arrive exactly at once and I think we all appreciate that very much but if I'm speaking of fine-tuning things I wanted to talk about the I'm gonna stay strong old foes old ghosts yes did I do it I didn't get it that might be the first time I wanted to do that is that is a brutal story step either that or I'm just bad because it's pretty struggled oh yeah just moving through the the temple yes it is you stuff that he stopped shooting yeah yes and it's meant to be pretty tough part of it one of the things so our first versions of it were not very difficult and sort of internal testing and and and and the earliest people who played it it didn't feel so scary enough to be a shot temple basically we like we ended up wanting the place to be someplace someplace that was sort of terrifying and that moving through it was very sort of uh most of the time it's mostly al yeah no I agree I i myself when i played through it once it was on live like waited to gather a group of people yeah me through it like it's it's better to almost think of it as like he open world that helps to have other people if you can find the a you know when the event is on to something like that definitely yeah we had it was kind of quiet when I was doing it with some guildmates better at night and we had one of our friends he went ahead he ran ahead and he like took the fire for us because he'd already yeah and he was a heavy class he was like ok they're all hitting me go because i'm not gonna climb down to the helm I'm down to like getting the helm and I can find I get it helps my heart you have to go very deep in love yeah yours York you're having I was fired last way I was like . yeah all the stuff where you have to interact with it basically if it if it's green text on the top of the thing there that that's the stuff i did alright so i can blame here didn't I didn't set the Jade the the contracting the rest of it i just i did place where okay because I'm mad about that so know if it was fun and I felt good when I got through it yeah but yeah it hurt it is it is a tough area I think that so let's look at the armor collection because I'm interested in I guess how hard it was to make it work oh my god we are now deciding up for that again i ever get painful memories that was tough it seemed like such a small yes yeah but I'm and then put on the but what is happening is is and again not to get too technical you cannot it's fine each piece of armor as you collect it runs a script that looks to see which other pieces you've collected and based on that it then approach to see what race quite a race and gender yet combination you are and based on that each time it says okay should you be in the army and if so which and then you have to go through but again from a testing perspective you had to test every variation on each one so you had to go through each had to go through the boot and look at oks or a male or a female charming and view of the quest steps like that for each combination for each sorry of yeah yeah it's only gloves only hell yeah make sure and then do them all so we had to make sure that you did it once with the boots or the helmet or whatever being the last one because that was the one it basically looks to say have you collected the other three if you have then do it so whichever so yeah he was a big pain there's also that there were ultimately issues with if you died while you're in the shot transformation and things like that it was a few yeah it ended up being not supposedly i think it's cool i'm invited to know I definitely school yeah I worked out well and I I really do feel bad because the way this conversation came about is that I message Nelly while we while we were playing at work and I was like oh haha a chart character got like in all of his armor yeah and the ghost is like yeah you oh yeah you could totally pass you look you look perfect except he's a giant cat with the tail to be fair it's our llanelli was like you sit down yeah I really don't know you only have sorry that I didn't know from he's pretty fairly sarcastic so that's I just like yeah that was no you if you work i was stuck in a shock we were doing use Excel does he think that I would and I would find whatever entertainment i could buy is reading it you know like a charter certainly like yeah you yeah you're right let me know how it works yeah so and you you guys right into some bumps here and there I mean you came into was it Lindsay that you were telling me said they found a little problem when which one with the area on yeah oh yeah the one oh yeah yeah it was just making sure we didn't want to we wanted to make sure that they are player agent for yeah well you want to when the player puts on the armor you want them to look as much like their characters possible and we were initially planning it we were thinking oh well you're wearing armor so it's not going to worry the thing is the more soft armor it's like Lazarus's likes back here yeah so you could still sure so we wanted the skin to look like as much so the skinny to either look like the player skin or look nothing like the player skin which means you now think about their raise yeah they're right exactly and we weren't going to be able to do that many variations so that's why ultimately you turned into like a zombie and he didn't like her sautee can do you handle more soft kind of skin under there yeah there's just so much more to think about than yeah boom slap these armor skins on and yeah which again was be a michelin-rated watching he's like low-hanging fruit like suggestion and it seems so easy at the time and it was it was also one of the things you didn't quite sort of now I realize how complex but it wasn't quite meets LA complex you realize how complex it was until you were already so knee-deep in it that it kind of felt like there was no going back yeah yeah my number 90 clear and reputation i was like we're doing this because i'm not going to present many hours on some problem i can't ball but no man ok the final story step if they have you seen people's reactions people love it to Dragon vigil yeah and you guys hate spoilers we're going to be talking spoilers yeah . spoilers yes the first day the first day when rising flames released i was being insanely careful about spoilers for social media sites so I wasn't talking about arena on guild wars 2 Twitter anything I do I was being super super careful yeah so even now I'm still a little bit gun-shy about like that yesterday we were I was like checking with people before retreating something really you think it's okay if I it's okay if I talk about yes so I'm even though I'm like we're going to talk about the thing ya thing yeah the thing at the end of the episode yes right how do you guys are value out fit yeah it's great though that it is gonna have that that she's actually monocle yeah as you do when you turn 16 yes yes did you all get your candy monocle no I have it home alright like like losing your first tooth you just keeping that yeah it's like that corsage for the certain problem right yeah it is and it would be it would be really will be cool i got to have a guitar teacher so sure prob monocles everywhere iconic old for all that will be the episode name yes anyway L did it how do you guys feel about the reception to Dragon visual it's great yeah yeah I quatre super happy with my numbers we drag me anywhere just right it's just like it's been like a week long sustained squeeze ya got the schedule dental work to deal with the cavities but given yeah she's so sweet my original idea of like the the hatching cinematic never came to fruition that's like not as it whatever you want i just wanted a bunch of squishing sounds in the top of the egg to like I don't know cinematic students that facebook yes that would have been being we only had the animation budget i am upset that did not have so am I now what I'm thinking about it man thanks now i'm disappointed re thats ok i do want to talk about the actual story part of it though um I guess is this is all technology and it malfunctioned and suddenly everything is trying to kill remember what the room did its job the room for ya while we were tricked the room protect the egg and then it had birth and then it does job guys so does every bounce out for her yeah so so this is partially what and then not going to go into too much detail about it because of potentially other things that may come around later but I was I was I was thinking very quickly oh yeah but-but-but yeah a part of it does involve the idea that that so yeah these altitudes in there does mention that the technology is older in it could be malfunctioning a part of it also has to do with the fact that promoters created these new destroyers and they're actually able to get in to this area whereas other ones have not been able to before and so yeah a lot of this is it involves sort of print mortis waiting for the right moment or at least his minions waiting for the right moment to come in and try to get her yeah i'm not entirely pleased about him but I couldn't have to tell a small story on myself i didn't realize until and I was telling our team about this and everybody got a good laugh at my expense I didn't realize that the little bombs that were being planted Irene could hurt them so i was already a panic i was picking them up and I'd like running a faraway Carly and give I'll give another tip because this was something that said yeah i think is yes so that get the bombs throw them at the Destroyers when you get to the boss look you there's another button a pop-up you throw the bomb at him and that's really the the key I i miss that the fast but yeah the it's sometimes sometimes the bomb use things that pop up on the screen it's a lot simpler and if you and then if you do that in place through that's how you get the baby dragon mask helmet using I found I found that out on the last boss but I'd been I'd been throwing them as far away ya get away forever get them away from so yeah if there was anything on the outskirts of the thing right they were screwed yeah but they're feeling for yeah i was just an idiot firstly i haven't played it online yet so i guess ya gotta get there ya know I can't get the helm Aaron bad it's like you're God destroyers hanging outside the chamber to so I'm sure you were still doing damage take that primordial there are about to catch some of them for you yeah okay we're getting kinda short on time I do want to try to answer a couple questions but I want to talk a little bit about the open world events did you know that you worked on this is the most okay our couple of those linked helped and we had some mother with some friends yes but yeah I have questions about a couple we have the big ones and we have liked this movie Tron event which that was out there that was me that's the one event i worked on well it was a really big when you're probably gonna have type of it yeah Usher on was was fun uh it was we knew we were gonna do the the love warm that we already had that sort of requested and so it was a matter of yeah just finding a fun something fun to do with that that boss fight and I just had this idea of this like crazy of Sarah sort of Captain Ahab character like doing crazy things to try to stop the worms and building a giant gold felt like a fun it's also a bit of a supposed to be a bit of a like tribute to like hygiene battles the yeah sort of I like it yeah I for some reason did not and i was running around there and i still didn't make the country battle oh and now i'm going to be looking at going yeah every time I went through yeah I'm probably the only one who didn't ya know I've again love captain Hughes yes she's my favorite thing they're watching her freak out yep the at once in awhile can we talk about hungry how little we can talk about hungry hell is this are you wanting to make it i don't want to be like what is it like a long-term thing it was supposed to be long okay thing and I also feast off the tears of our players there my youthful girl like you single want to yeah yeah sorry guys I just needed to look at another couple years younger and so much hungry out there okay no that's not it at all well no um yeah actually there was some stuff that went on with it but that wasn't totally expected none of us knew the master . we're gonna oh and yes if I didn't is if he did it no I'm just looking at you like what ya know I that was definitely not supposed to be the case but it's there now and it will stay there the secret to him is you need to take the lava tube right in front of the shipwreck village and that will shoot you over to allege that you can then jump glide over to and talk to hell it's you don't have to go through the you know the fortress you can you can just do it with it's like a soft heart gate get thermal propulsion you'll be glad you did you well it looks awesome and super fun writing i like that you only need what five hundred thousand XP to get thermal propulsion so I get to use really sorry but it's very much welcome . would make sure we wanted to because we're doing these living world episodes and each of them are kind of their they're telling her own story we didn't think that it was it didn't feel good to have to kind of do the traditional leveling and it on the other masteries so you know the the masteries are kind of made for that map and you know future releases and so we just didn't want to punish anybody and if you don't have lighting which is one of the hardest ones we just wanted to make sure that you could not get stuck just running around the island and you you were able to have your own set of yeah i think the goal was also to like try to try to like a set the XP value needed so that you would reach that like two-thirds to three-quarters your way through the episode right so you have time in your initial playthrough to enjoy it or if not like immediately thereafter yeah assuming that you do set the the the master train at the beginning of the episode I totally didn't do that yeah yeah I remember to set that trap mit-trained master it's nice that bloodstone fen and M'Baye i have noticed both just throw tons of XP at you soon yeah you know really quick i mean really would like we gotta make up for some of that other stuff like you know like hungry he'll like every how exactly i didn't know stargates okay you're selling our gate so we'll just set them is often last one sloth sloth sloth sloth queen is like everything no she's soft green algae open world she's yours yes she is mine ok here's mine it basically i came down to the fact that i am a terrible team player and I want to see our raid content out in the real world if it makes sense the fault was so cool the fact that so little of our players including myself got to to go into that and play that I wanted to just share the amazingness of that animal with everybody and it won't happen all the time well yeah they're not going to go around collecting oh yeah the circus poker not going to have a raid boss collision exactly and it and that is very well you just said yeah that looks like yeah his case study and you can't work you know I think I don't think we're definitely not trying to make a cake inside of any of that if it works and you know the designer who is working on that piece of content wants to go for it makes sense and it works and we should totally do it you guys sit by the red team's i do something next to the way to yeah I got to ask crystal definitely got to to judge me heavily by skill implementation and that's all that I also love the just way that it's with subtle nod to King Kong right-handers go to capture this giant your insurance goal i love what could possibly go wrong only then the sort of end up in a monkey trap yeah yeah as you yeah all right you guys want to share a couple questions here you guys want to see if they're so there is a question from 404 vault and cinelli's team lead on what character lead environment lead i was the content design lead on that so i just got to juggle a bunch of stuff and make all stuff we at picking questions in real time alright that I can answer the guild decoration one they they were considered I think it came down to some time constraints that we had oh yeah really oh I'm sorry I'm sorry my bad uh so the question was were killed decorations considered for in-game rewards and Enver Bey this release came with great fractal decorations but i'm curious enough skilled decorations were considered for open future world rewards yes they totally are we just didn't have a chance to this time there that just means that our rewards guy has the more stuff in the future with love a theme to make for you but ya know if it is considered the Guildhall go next yeah adventure Gyllenhaal and which other ones do what can rock the one question from sparkle getting was why does the costume not change with the skin of the character I assume that's going back to the Mossad thing which I think we talked about a little bit before but it was ultimately it does change your technical yeah it does its you haven't actually just putting a armor on your existing model it's real swapping your model out with another one and we weren't able to have as many variations are as there are skin variations for each character and so that's why it does a neutral sort of zombie look I can are there any okay see what was the question when what can you tell us about the strange rockers becoming with magic I don't know what rough i know you i do but i'm not going to say anything about it not because you're mean but I don't know because i can't yeah which area isn't uh you should read read it and i will show it to you and yes like it's all over Susan's better not just be ready to ya in our forums to yeah I can't we can talk about that okay okay sue cry right now if you guys have answered all the ones that you are currently allowed to talk about yeah i'm having to defer to you because i'm looking at some of these going I don't actually know if you guys are well i think yeah look at all the ones that we can so we're going to call it good and let you guys get back to working on your next things so and let you all get back to playing all right thank you guys very much I know you're all three busy and I appreciate you taking time out of your workday thanks for having probably have thank you guys for watching and we'll see you next time