Guild Chat - Episode 10
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Guild Chat - Episode 10
- Title
- @TwitchCon, Returning to Guild Wars 2
- Host
- Rubi Bayer
- Guests
- Mike Zadorojny
Colin Johanson
Anthony - Date
- October 2, 2015
- Official video
- YouTube
The following is an unofficial, player-written transcript of the episode. The accuracy of this transcription has not been verified by ArenaNet.
The 10th episode of Guild Chat aired on October 2, 2015. Another live at TwitchCon chat on September 25-26 2015 to discuss the topic of returning to Guild Wars 2 after a break. Listen to Colin, Mike Z, Rubi and AnthonyAcc go deep on the topic!
Transcription[edit]
At TwitchCon[edit]
hi everybody welcome back to guild chat i'm your host Ruby column and Mike are back with us thank you guys very much and Anthony one of our livestream partners has joined us so thank you very much for your time thank you for having me yeah so we've been talking to a lot of players who have been gone from Gilbert stood for a little while but they've been hearing the buzz about hug thorns and are excited to come back we don't want you guys to get overwhelmed and just I have no idea what's going on everything is different I'm out so we're going to kind of help you guys get caught up today let's start with I want to start with the big thing we have had over 40 major content updates its launch so depending on how long you've been out of the game there is a lot more stuff to see Colin do you want to fill us in on that son yeah we could eat down the line and everybody can pick something or i can do all 40 for the next half an hour i have them memorized so two minutes the first update was halloween within that update we introduced 17 new skins there is three ok so it's like she's gonna do it yeah I want to know if he actually knows all 40 I'm I feel like I want a whole other Sigma if you know what I mean I was not on the game show that was earlier questions like that it's not only place I could have died you can give us high-level been ok so we've done a lot I think very early on we experimented a lot with a lot of live events that change the face of the game so things like we open a new map called southsun Cove after a bunch of little karkar guys were kind of face eater head either little guys and giant creatures took over and invaded our capital city and then you went back and charged in and attacked where they came from in southsun Cove you got to discover this entire new map of context so that's been added to the game if you let if you have it in back since right after we launched going to talk a little bit about some of the holiday updates it came around then too yeah so with winter's day we brought back one of serious old festivities from guild wars 1 and really kind of brought to modernize it into the guild wars 2 kind of franchise and Halloween was our very first festival yes hello is our first one we brought back as well and both of them we introduce new jumping puzzles with Halloween we chose a kind of a new mini dungeon for players to experience as well and is as festive as these have been the jumping puzzles we added a little bit more challenge to them which may be a little frustrating for its it's cute how you say a little bit have you have you been around for Halloween I haven't okay you need to try the mad Kings jumping puzzle if you every class our the clock tower it is ok at many hours of your life really a pair for ultimate frustration because those jumping puzzles now that take up hours of my life this one is like it rotates and like there's like a poison miss that's following behind you rising up so you have only a certain amount of time to actually make it up huge clock wise thing going all the way up to the tower and pieces appear and disappear and awesome yeah well that's that's one thing that'll be back in four weeks that is coming battle Halloween the day that heart of thorns goes live also be launching our Halloween update oh cool and then winter's day for christmas is coming just shortly after that so people who haven't been around for a holidays awesome opportunity to come in and check those out as well in between those two holidays the first year we also launched the fractals of mist which is kind of our new repeatable dungeon that has it's about 15-20 minute segments that then launch you into a new time and space within like tyrion lore and just gives you a new kind of flavor and a little bit of randomness each time you kind of go through it yeah fractals are fractals are a lot of fun we're going to be revamping those with heart of thorns we can talk a little bit more about that later I won't gender too much pressure so we had a lot of quality of life updates that we added just to clear out your help clear out your inventory look at the wallet you have that out of the way there was a ton of future work over the last year's the wallet is only a place where you can store all your currencies I think one of my favorites a lot of people from very early in the game had a lot of moments where we get a ton of players on screen and the more players that showed up everybody would disappear and we call that basically our cooling system so that you could see what was going on all the time and we had habib who is one of our one of our amazing programmers at the time took on this project of removing calling from the game entirely I and so shortly I want to say maybe six months nine months after we launched that went live and now you can see Hut you can go to world versus world and you can literally see every player giant battle with 100 players if you got in the open world and you fight against one of our huge boxes you can actually see everybody in the world now that was a huge difference for the game it was enormous if you survived the Great parka event of 2012 who knows yeah there were there were giant invisible bosses that were rolling over everyone and killing them in LA because calling would make it so you couldn't see them so that was that was an interesting early experience for live content for us and obviously fixing that coaling system has been a big addition for guild wars 2 it felt so good one of the other major things that kind of went with that is that we were looking over the past couple years in terms of player styles and watching kinda what the players were doing and that's what we kind of came up with like the mega server technology which was as servers and became less the most populated like the individual maps we will actually condense them down so that players will have more opportunities to find others who are trying to accomplish the same tasks the same events and it'll also make it so that there's always someone around when one of those big bosses shows up that you can actually get enough people to defeat them yeah taking the lfg system out of beta was amazing that yeah yeah we have a real looking for group tool now those who remember the early days right guildwars2 launched a bunch of our fans actually built a website that you would use for lefty and you would go to the website you would type your name in and you could use that to sort and find people to play with and then you have to go in game and track them down so we implemented an in-game looking for group system that you can use to find players to play with in PvP in world vs world in the open world to do dungeons together and that's a huge quality of life update for the game as well you know we added the robust reward system too and speaking of lfg that's I find friends for that quite a lot so that was that was one that I really like that's when we also introduced the bouncy chest which is the most incredibly gratifying thing yeah it is I love it I didn't realize I guess I didn't realize it's been it's been a while before since I played it the first time and I didn't realize that that wasn't there before and now that it's pointed out like that thing is so rewarding yeah it's just it's just like please open like I'm down here like this is so cool it's a great addition do you find your OCD about it if you see it on the corner your eye like I have to get that thing I don't it's funny because my stream will write don't like gonna send a chat be like Ches Ches Ches oven that ok fine I'll open the chest like relax yes but never have a bouncy chest on live stream that you have an open table 3 they go and I kind of almost like it down there it's like kind of fun and juggling it's dancing around I know oh man they will lose it on me so you know Anthony said something he and I were talking about this before we went live a lot of these things we've just started taking for granted because they're there now and when we were going we were talking about you know what do we need to catch people up on I'm realizing these things weren't always here how do we get by before these work how did I get by without having the best just open because I want more loot yeah the looking for group or the camera changes camera changes yeah that was a really cool but I think that it sort of shows how good the updates have been because if you can come back from a year and not necessarily notice that these things are changed I think that shows that they've been good changes right it's better than coming back and not it's not knowing what you're doing like this is what is happening I don't know where I am instead they're just these subtle changes that have just made the game that much better and the love this comes from kind of our iteration strategy right like we released the game we put it out there when we even we as we're playing it or discovering hey look you know this can be a little bit better we can take this up you know one more notch and so we'll have those internal discussions in terms like hey we're listening to the fans and seeing these are the things that they want to see into the game these are the concerns that they have and find ways that we can actually integrate that with the strategy of our release games I think I think that's one of the challenges that any of those these big online worlds face I'm losing my voice here saying hey is uh you know you get you walk away from a year or two after playing them and they changed so much that you come back and you don't even recognize the game you know you walk in you don't know what your character is you don't know what's going on and you basically almost have to start over with a new character to wrap your head around what the game is and I think we've done a really nice job of trying to make it so it is and like you said Anthony you know you walk in and a lot of it the game is more fun but you don't really have to realize why you don't have to wrap your head around all the things that have changed to understand what to do there's a couple things that we've done i think the trade system the major changes to the trade system is one that there's a little bit of going back and picking through to understand how that works but i think it's much simpler now as well you know we should talk about what that is it looks a lot different it's it's okay it's not bad yeah yeah your traits now basically you pick you pick three treatments that you have acted and you just get the whole treatment you used to have to go in and spend points in different lines and you would get a certain chunk of the abilities it really simplifies the process if you're an elementalist you can just say I want to treat myself for Fire Water and Earth cool I know what that means you no longer have to worry about like Oh fire means i'm getting additional power or conditioned damage or things like that all those hats have been removed and put back on the armor where they belong yeah it's really build making it's been simplified since back when the game watch and I think as a result we actually have ability to make more robust builds and we can balance the game better it's much easier to make a cool build and to tell your friend what you pull this to like I remember you Steph to say I'm 2 3 5 10 20 you know you watch the the pvp tournaments from back when we had that trait system and there and the shoot down the numbers like two to six okay and this is six to two like what does that mean it means nothing no one watching that can wrap their head around that but if they say yeah your you know your your fire earth than air ok cool I get what that means and that means you can share build you can talk with other players and communicate about builds in a much more meaningful way than you used to be able to in early kill boards too and I think the thing that you hit on also is like it makes us of skills selection and traits election becomes much more important and that seems we are it is one of our driving forces moving forward like how we approach raids how we approach difficult content how with the fractal revamp you know we're increasing the cap from 50 to 100 and we're adding that that difficulty in there and making it so that your choices are meaningful and actually are going to impact the way you play the game I'm really really a fan of what we've done so far there is a quality of life update that we did not mention that I'm kind of loving if any of you guys are hardcore crafters and I don't know we did an amazing update to the crafting you I before it was I don't want to just say it was terrible it was just a little let me just put it out there someone needs to drop a bike today where's my radios he I don't know where he went but yeah we'll just pretend you did I'm just super spoiled now because before you know you had all of these craft and components that you needed to put together and if i didn't have something completed I had to sit there and go through the list I'm fine which one I would go through and find it and now there's a little magnifying glass here's what that thing takes anything you want to craft now and just list the ingredients and every ingredient there's a little drill down box a little magnifying glass you can click and it actually tells you all the things you need to do to make that ingredient and we didn't used to have that yeah used to just say four ingredients you had no idea what it took to get those and it did it was it was kind of like the old days of the 80s and OPG's where you had a piece of paper next to your desk and he went right down on it everything you needed to do in the role playing game because the game didn't tell you anything our crafting system was very similar to that remember spending hours we make the game and I spent hours on the wiki looking up I'm like okay how do I make this cooking recipe all right yeah and now you can just drill down in there and you can craft it right in that window where you open it up so that was absolutely one of my favorites I credit to our UI team seriously you know another one another one I think that goes under the radar a lot and this is a relatively recent addition that Mike Mike help worked on good job Mike is the the daily log in reward system yeah and the revamp to the way that the daily achievement system works entirely we now have every day you login you get warts and there's an entire schedule showing the cool rewards you get for logging in and I think it provides just a really nice like nice warm reward hug every day when you log in like welcome back we love you and here's some fun stuff for you when you call it nice warm reward hug I feel like we missed out there yeah I we missed a branding opportunity for sure but you know there's just something about that I think we see a lot of people say like you know I log in every day I get my date I get my login reward and I go play my daily and we know for a lot of players are looking for more than that and that's why we built this expansion great but it does give you key thing every day that you know every day when i login I know what I'm going to start doing and then you end up starting to do that stuff and you get sucked off and playing other content you know I I generally like to do my world vs world daily first because I find it's the one where an hour to later I look around and realize that you know it's midnight and I should have gone to bed early I have a feeling that system really you know it opens up that for all our players of like you login you get your cool reward and now here's this list of fun daily stuff you can go do to get another great set of rewards and they're actually really you know fun things to do that gets you into game modes you didn't play otherwise they encourage you like if you're a PVE player it actually gives you rewards for going to play pvp and play world vs world and you know we have three major game modes guild wars 2 it's awesome to get a chance to go play the other ones and be rewarded for it yeah I'm really proud of how we implemented that the just the login rewards as well you and I had talked about that before it went live even if you miss a day because real life interferes as we all we all have that it all happens and if you miss a day it doesn't reset you're not missing out you're still just it keeps progressing so there's one other thing that's coming with harder thorens it's not out yet that I'm super excited about and Lester the guy who I worked on with the daily login system actually supports now the technology for us to actually make it so on the achievements the ones are like go collect 30 script coins or go find all the diving goggles it now actually breaks down like an we can actually have individual ones marked in your achievement panel so you know specifically which ones that you have or have not seen oh wow so there's now a conversation being at oh I'm 50 out of 50 1 which one are you missing Oh looks like i'm missing you know number 52 let's actually know where that is i didn't know this are you serious this is going with the heart of thorns without lunch so i can finally find that last coin in dry top this is awesome I I don't need anything else I did not know this I am that's one of those just don't realize and then once it said it like yeah there's no way the game could have worked without this you know yeah well I have yeah I seriously am like I'm short one coin for an achievement and it's been five months and I can't find it because I don't want to go look for everything and I know yes yes so I don't want to change it up a little bit i'm kind of wearing anthony like four do you have any recommendations for players who like Ben Lapps for a while that are now coming back to the game are the things that you would recommend hey go check this out because this is exciting and this is the thing that kind of brings you back to the game well so I mean for me I'm a huge PvE guy like i love i love the world that's been created so for anybody that's coming back to the game I say just just dig in like pay attention listen to the story go do some vistas explore and just have fun the game does a really good job i mentioned it briefly earlier I've just sort of being updated without you really realizing it I had no problem coming back into the game so I don't really know if I guess I have like a strong recommendation like make sure you go here and make sure you go here you're going to be lost because you won't be you'll feel welcome and it's all just very it's all laid out in front of you which I love the reason I find myself constantly coming back to guild wars 2 is because of the art and how beautiful the game is and as long as you guys they keep that up I'm stuck I'm hooked they even the specializations like the new trade system and stuff I found myself just exploring that because of how good it looked like I wanted to see all the new animations and little pop ups and stuff that you guys are created just because it's so it's so beautiful so yeah if you're new to the game you're coming back to it if you haven't played it in a while and you want a reason to it's just it's just good to look at like it's just good to become part of that world yeah just running around and exploring as if I'm in and of itself that's all I do I was telling my my wife was driving to the airport we're talking about like I got to talk about guild wars and I want to make sure you know I'm not gonna fumble around and just missing this hey you can and she's like guys like what are you doing it I'm like well honestly fifty percent of the time I'm dancing like on some fit like some viewpoint right like for whatever really my guild and I are dancing in some viewpoint and the other fifty percent of the time I'm taking a screenshot of something cuz it's just like every time I turn around there's something else that's just gorgeous and I have to take a screenshot yeah that's what I love about it yep exactly I think there's a you know that a lot of people who played very early on and stop playing right around after when G to be to release one of the most common comments I've heard from talking to them about the game was well there wasn't a quest system that led me around so I didn't really know what to do in the game I couldn't wrap my head around it I didn't really get it and I think the biggest piece of advice I would say to any returning player to just go exactly what you're saying Anthony is this is a game about just going out and having a great time and enjoying yourself it's about immersing yourself in the world exploring in finding amazing things we try really hard to hide little details all over the place in the world everything from the hidden jumping puzzles and dungeons to the lady at a bear picnic and little kids hanging off of trees and playing in in hidden areas and maps there's so many tiny little details there hidden all over this world for you to discover I think that's the greatest joy about PvE and guild wars 2 is truly just taking your time relaxing and getting out and enjoying the world and it's not this race to level eight and I think as soon as people can unwrap their head around that concept of an RPG as a race to get to max level and instead in guild wars 2 it's an RPG about enjoying the world then you truly get what guild wars 2 is all about and you can enjoy the game in a much more yeah it's about the journey not the destination right right that's exactly what guild wars is to me every time I play it it's just I'm in no hurry people bashing me for not being 80 and I've constantly starting new characters and she's this whole thing that the stream makes funny before but I'm in no hurry to get to 80 because it's just every second I'm in that world it's just I'm finding something new it's something something else exciting something that I do that just plays off what you were saying when I log in and I just don't really have a clear idea of what I want to do I have about six months ago I started just picking a map at random plop my character down in it and start running in a random direction there you go and for what just for fun I was kind of timing it I have not gotten past 90 seconds without finding something I mean a dynamic events something going on players doing something and just jump in but just looking for something at random has been so much fun because I always find something yeah and I'm a little OCD about like I'm like no not OS dadd about it i suppose is the right thing and I'm just like like oh but as a butterfly light so know it so well there's a fish over there like what's this Lego what's the severe it's just like I can never focus on one thing in the in guild wars 2 i'm constantly running around finding something else that I'm like enthralled with for whatever reason spoiled for choice is not a bad thing yeah it's not that's for sure so we have about a little over 10 minutes left and there are two more game modes that I want to get into because we have done so much with pvp east side I mean we start with spectator mode yeah spectator mode on when when we first launched there was no ability to watch other people play the game so the addition of spectator mode has been huge for that spectator mode and customer arenas both kind of what hand in hand that came around the same time custom arenas basically allows you to own your own arena set your own rules for PvP and in particular it means that you can host your own competitions between guilds you can practice and with spectator mode you can watch people dealing and the addition of these two features really gave rise to the beginning of the competitive guild wars 2 scene and that's been a really awesome that's that's not really a feature update that's a community-driven initiative that has turned into something much much better now many years later I'm losing my voice might do you want to take this on first no need to get you some water yeah I mean at this point we now have I mean this last year we did three WTS world tournament series championship events one in Beijing one in Cologne and then one in Boston I can give a quick rundown of the WTS and what it is basically we kind of had region-based tournaments that players would go and compete against each other to earn the right to represent that region at these tournaments so there's always two teams from the host nation and then one from the other two so like when we was in Beijing there were two China teams one North American team and one European team and it was basically these four teams duking it out at the top level for if you know a huge cash prize and basically the right to say for the next X number months there the world champions the last one we had in Cologne blow we had the North American team come back and went up the top and take the mantle back from the European team so like there's actually kind of some bragging rights to be that are associated with this we've also got partnerships with ESL and a couple other fan groups that are hosting either monthly or even weekly tournaments that just get people back into this and really kind of you know shaking up the competitive scene and really giving meaningful concept of it that term eSports when akka is applied to guild wars 2 yeah most most days of the week there is some kind of competitive and tournament going on and almost all of them are broadcast live on twitch so you can actually watch we have a huge group of competitive streamers and influencers who are hosting these events that can help teach you the game better and you can watch these pro players compete in all these different tournaments everything from 1v1 tournament 2v2 to kind of the top tier every sunday is the ESL 5v5 go for cuts which is where the best teams traditionally play and eventually qualify for larger tournaments and after the expansion ships we're going to be taking it to even that we will talk about more once we get to that point kind of to reiterate some of the things we've said in previous cast as well as like like pvp it's even playing field so just having access to the game access to the client lets you play at have equal footing with everybody else and it just becomes a matter of scale it's not about who has better armor because everyone's fighting at the same tier and something we did most a couple weeks ago was actually putting the game for free which now means that even it's even easier to get the scene and so we're seeing numbers in terms of players actually coming in and trying to BP and trying to compete for these top prizes is going through the roof for us yeah it's really exciting time you know there's as for for fans and PVE in particular I think there's been two major changes to PvP in the last year that have had a huge impact on expanding the PvP base and making it more approachable for everybody so one of those is the addition of reward tracks which is the new reward system it used to be in PvP we had a pretty obtuse reward system will use that word to politely push it aside but now we have this awesome reward track system where you actually select the rewards that you want to be playing towards and as you're progressing to them you're constantly getting rewards of creatures that live in the world of from bosses in the world from champions in the world that you basically get these little reward chests as you progress through and play pvp and we also normalized the gear system between PvE and PvP so we used to have back when the game first launched there was PvP gear and there was PVE gear and they were completely separate they had their own unlock systems the pillars yeah ever builds the skin skin wardrobe for PvP was a point where you can unlock skins just for PvP but not for the rest of the game we've added a brand new wardrobe to the game that allows you basically to save all of your skins and everything that you unlock in PvP you can carry over and use in PvE or in from PvP into pvp you can even earn gold now playing PvP which is a huge difference to win the game launch so your time spent in PvP is really rewarding now and you earn items and you earn gold that you can use on your characters that you can take out into PvE or take out into world vs world as well it's really rewarding I'm like Anthony as a primary PvE player I started dipping my toes in the PvP waters a little over a year ago and I'm never going to be I'm never going to be up there in the ranks you know I'm super casual but I'm just having a good time with it I started keeping a custom arena about a year ago so I could have my own little private place to screw up and you know try this try that find out what doesn doesn't work for me and it's that was the addition of reward tracks has made it a lot more fun for me as a PVE player to be a part of this so I didn't know about the custom arenas oh they're great so like for example if I'm playing PvP and I've got a chat troll that that's that's gripping on me I can one be one him yep yes really yeah I might need to put some off stream time into it and I kind of hide my skills bait a few people and then show show them what's up this are hustling people yeah I see nothing wrong I'm gonna have to serve house electro and oak ash battles at twist yeah yeah this is going to happen get ready for this well with the expansion too you're going to be able to build a guild hall and you can actually build an arena in your guild hall that you can go in and host duals like that as well and you can actually decorate and customize your arena and you can you can put up walls you can put turrets the arena is crazy and you can invite all your your twitch followers into your arena and every day and redecorate the whole thing change it and fight again in there against them you can separate them the different teams and you can at all fight against each other on different teams really it's really cool and that's just one little piece of functionality for guild halls I'm trying to like listen to you and I'm watching his wheels yeah I'm just like and it's amazing well I'm here in this redecorate word right and that's like so I'm saying earlier fifty percent time I'm dancing fifty percent of the time Scrooge on screen shot and the other fifty percent of the time I'm changing the color of my armor right I'm like I'm explain or the math component of this yes yeah it's the third Oh third fifty percent of this and and you said that the redecorate and I'm just like oh that's it it's over that killed halls are trouble you can when you start getting into decorating and guild halls and we're going to actually show off a lot of cool stuff about guild halls very soon go into more details on this but yeah you can you can do some crazy things with decorating your guild hall there goes another a hundred and fifty percent of your life for that correct and you're going to thank us for stealing all of your time honey a lot of dissections turn this cheering get it just right how is the next thing you're going to say yeah yeah but a lot of the decorations are gonna come from / just playing the game like whether whether it's in PvP whether it's you know PvE like overcoming various challenges within the game you're going to get something else get a lock that you're gonna be able to kind of show off that your guilt is nailed to accomplish the school things yes crystal showed earlier you can get decorations for killing raid bosses and then you can show off and your guilt all the rates that you've no man I'm so excited so great i want to add like a dancing statue now we can call it the anthony oh that would be a GF I would lose it you just see me crying I just do a crying extreme I just like my life would be we've got the crying live streams covered with roar peachy but I love you peachy she's like yeah thanks man that's right so let's talk about world vs world real quick as we wrap up because we added edge of the mists of that yep yeah there's a new map now one of the one of the biggest problems that we ran into early on in particular right after expansion ship with world versus world original game not the expansion excuse me yes October try third right after the expansion shift four weeks from now time is lost all meeting when you're trying to ship again seriously super truth so right after gw2 shifts we had huge queues in a lot of the maps and still today even it you know in prime time in a lot of our worlds there's cues to get in and so we created edge of the mists is a fun place for you to go play world versus world until your cues have been cleared and you can jump in and actually play in the maps that that your world is fighting on I'm so that's one big edition now so you can always play world versus world no matter what even if all the worlds are full you can jump into edge of the mists and play there another big thing that we added is the world vs world ability system which is basically an entire end game system of abilities for you to unlock for your vs world characters and they apply to all the characters on your account that you can get these points and then by abilities for them everything from being able to be better using battering rams to being able to fight guards better in world vs world there's abilities for all the different siege lines with that came a reward system as well so now when you get these world vs world ability points those little bouncy chests that we all love pop up and they have a lot of really nice rewards in them to help make world vs world more rewarding as well yeah so those are a couple of huge additions I think the big most impactful change for world vs world by far though was removing polling that we talked about earlier so my gosh yes you used to have to fight invisible armies of players who had come charging at you and you can see the people in the front but you never knew exactly how big the army was because you couldn't see anyone behind it they were all cold out now in a hundred people are fighting in a giant mosh pit you actually can see all of them it's pretty pretty epic and amazing inadvertent stealth and nobody liked it so well tell you what as we wrap up we are not even so this is a pretty good coverage of what we've done in the past couple of years with heart of thorns darn it we didn't even talk about living world this was like 40 I'm anxious I believe so yeah and we are not even done hard stores is coming colin has apparently been there and that's amazing I mean we have got the fractals revamp coming pvp leagues stronghold which you can play right now yep and also during next weekend's bday weekend and next weekend's beta weekend we've got those open for test raids with the first boss coming next week guild halls the elite specializations that we've been showing you the legendary journey you know what we should totally talk about that later today on his dream that's a good idea let's do that good ideas I have amazing ideas so we have a lot of stuff coming the core game guild wars 2 is free to play right now you need to come in and spend some time with us and enjoy the game and we'll see you in harder thorns and you get to hang glide in the jungle oh man is that something else we should talk about that later today too all right all right yeah we should yeah I think we'll do that all right thank you guys for spending some time with us and we will be back in a little bit but I think of course thank you yeah thanks you