Talk:Champion farm

Afaik, the more commonly used term is "train". The number of players farming champs rarely qualifies as a proper zerg either, at least from what I've seen. Having individual articles for farms in different zones also seems rather redundant, as the farm itself is rather simple process and can greatly varyy between zones, servers and regions (Euro and NA). Mediggo (talk) 14:19, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Per Talk:Queensdale zerg, I moved this page to "Champion farming." Now we just need someone to merge the Queensdale and Frostgorge articles. —Dr Ishmael 14:53, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd either document farming tips on the zone articles or at this very article, but can wait for some additional input before getting to it. Mediggo (talk) 15:19, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Is this appropriate for the main space?

→ moved from Talk:Queensdale zerg

I think this article goes beyond documenting a gameplay trend; it's more of a guide to doing it. As such I'm not certain we should keep it in the main space. In the old days this would go on PvX, but we don't have one of those anymore, so it's kind of a gray area. 18:24, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I don’t really have a problem with it in its core. These champion zergs are a common activity a lot players participate in; it’s happening on every server. As such, I think it would make sense to document it. That documentation would be less a “how to” but rather a “what is done and how is it done” where we focus on the core idea and things. For example which champions/events are farmed, how often do these spawn, etc.

It really shouldn’t be a guide though, especially because there is no perfect recipe on how to do it correctly, and in fact many servers are doing it differently. Even on the server I am playing it’s somewhat different based on the time of the day. poke | talk 18:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Different on my server too. But I am not unhappy with its inclusion. We can get rather parochial at times. Not to say that Felix's concerns are unreasonable. --Claret (talk) 18:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) My main concern is that "zerg" is not a good word to use in an article title. It's too... eh, "unprofessional" isn't quite the right word, but "jargony" isn't a word at all, so... I think you get what I mean. :)

Also, does it need to be a standalone article? Can it be documented on Queensdale? And whatever we do here needs to be applied to Frostgorge Sound zerg as well. —Dr Ishmael 18:39, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I would put it all under a common article “Champion farming”; “farming” is a common term, and we even had “guides to farm XY” on GWW too. poke | talk 18:59, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

That sounds great. —Dr Ishmael 19:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Post "nerf"

Ugh. Now that the Queensdale train is no more, portions of this guide need to be rewritten by somebody more loquacious than myself. Maybe even rethink if this page is still necessary with just the one "farm." Wonder if these champs will get relegated too ... — snograt 23:42, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Related to this, I’d like to see those retired ones get a bit more information about how they historically worked when it was still possible to do them. poke | talk 00:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Changes to Frostgorge

It seems that it's now standard to include the Breaking The Ice meta event in the champ train, between Troll and Trio.

Deletion request 12/22/2016

There is no content, event, or seasonal festival in Guild Wars 2 called "Champion farm". There is a player practice, but since when has player practice been allowed to hold dedicated pages? If the "champ farm" should be allowed to retain a page, then AB multiloot, Dry Top tier cycle/sandstorm farm, and other cyclical player practices should in theory gain their own pages, bloating the wiki with more non-canon pages that are more home on Dulfy or efficiency sites. Azure Fang (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Should the deletion occur, I hold that the talk page should be orphaned to set a precedent against such pages. Azure Fang (talk) 16:20, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

"If this page is kept others should be allowed" is not an argument for deletion. Please use proper arguments when nominating things for (speedy) deletion.--Fogeltje (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The wiki is for any pertinent information regarding the game. "Champ farm", or "Champion farm" is an extremely common term used in game which players might end up looking up. You'll find there is also "rank farming" for pvp. There are also terms such as Adventurer which are technically not part of the game, but a way for classes to be sorted by armor class. I for one would be more than happy to see more unofficial term pages come in IF they have the potential to help players. As for this bloating the wiki... have you seen the size of the wiki? These pages can't possibly reach the amount of pages taken up by items and or npcs. I vote a NO for the deletion. -Darqam 23:18, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I also vote no mostly for reasons Darqam stated, and also because when I think "bloating the wiki" I primarily think of pages(and duplicate images) that have really no use at all whatever(ie dead npcs on tombstones didn't need pages), and this page definitely doesn't fit that description. Plus when I started playing I was referred to this page(specifically for the Orr champ farm), and I found it incredibly useful for knowing where to go and what to do. Unrelated, did you mean Silverwastes instead of Dry Top, because I've never heard of any reason to farm that other than for Geodes. - Do_odleplex 23:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Guides are an established part of the wiki, hence Category:Guides. We have to be careful with player activities because they are subjective and impossible to maintain. Sites like Dulfy are way more suited there because it can be maintained and curated strictly by one person or a small group. The important part is that the wiki be a resource for answering the what, when, and where, with dedicated sites answering how and why.--Relyk ~ talk < 03:02, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

(Reset indent) So the agreement seems to be "no" for deletion, I think? If so, probably should remove the deletion request. - Do_odleplex 00:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, it’s fine to keep this. There haven’t been actual arguments for the deletion apart from “the wiki shouldn’t do this”. I actually think that it’s fine to document other common player activities too, as long as it’s a documentation of the status quo and not some general and subjective how to. So for example, if the Dry Top farming is an actual thing that players do in a consistent way, I don’t see a harm documenting the process/concept of it somewhere. poke | talk 00:53, 7 January 2017 (UTC)