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Stuff moved to User talk:Claret/Archive1 - yay, my first archive!!!

1 Events
1.1 Contributing events
1.2 Living Story events
2 Skill Challenges (Initiator vs. Event)
3 Hello there
4 "open-dbl-curly" and such
5 Erm, sorry
6 It is not 's in Sirius' case
7 Did I miss something?
8 area hearts
9 I think I may have just reverted you
10 discussion and consensus
11 event type
12 Event formatting

Stop the enraged jotun from crushing the Bear shrine[edit]

I would flag it as historical, so somebody can verify it exists. It currently looks bugged like other events that are in perpetual preparation state.--Relyk ~ talk < 02:17, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I actually sent in a support request about this particular event, asking how to start it, etc, just a couple days ago. I was not given that information, but the response I did get implied that this event still exists and can be activated somehow. --MushaUser Musha Sigc.png 04:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Should make an API post on events that are constantly in a preparation state and not documented/verified on the wiki. It's a very strong hint it's removed from the game or bugged.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Do ANet actually look at the wiki for erors? They certainly don't for, as an example, spelling and grammar errors which continue to irritate those of us who care about such things. But, seriously, there are a huge number of those "permanently preparing events". Probably needs their own page. --Claret (talk) 09:25, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Point me to where these API anomalies and perpetually in preparation list could be started, I have been wikiing for less that 5 minutes and found several "problems". --Claret (talk) 09:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
@Relyk: if an event is listed in the API, it's been "discovered" since the last server reset. Events that have been removed are not listed. So by elimination, these events would be bugged, and this has been confirmed by Cliff (the API developer) in this forum thread. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 12:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
"Permanently preparing" are bugged. Really, they are. Also "Inactive on any world" does not sound good either. You have to admit that there are a huge number of events that either bug on first occurrence or only fire off once in a millenium if your character is standing on its head, facing north by north west, at 04:06:37 (UTC) on the third Friday of the month wearing a Cook's Outfit. Anet seem mute on this problem. The forums are full and the responses few. --Claret (talk) 12:17, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I will rephrase that, from the forum post that Ish linked, they are deluded, badly. --Claret (talk) 12:20, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I knew about that, didn't know it was after every server reset.--Relyk ~ talk < 15:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
You wouldn't believe it. The blueprints is terminally bugged. Several of the other events rarely last the day. The low level escort series in Wayfarer Foothills never passes three cycles without bugging. It's a seemingly endless list. There's some terribly sloppy programming here. Probably why they're too embarrassed to admit it. And, it's fairly typical of MMO developers to ignore this kind of stuff while blithely creating more. Even worse, at least in WoW, and maybe others, the GMs could nudge a quest. In GW apparently they can't, there is no mechanism. Really bad again. --Claret (talk) 16:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I can live with a few bugged events nobody notices though. It hurts the game significantly more if a bugged event is part of a chain or renown heart, which are the one that get fixed.--Relyk ~ talk < 04:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

(Reset indent) According to this forum thread many of the events stuck in preparation state in the starting areas are actually not bugged, but are triggered by having larger numbers of players in the areas. This event could very well be one such event. This could be fun to test. --MushaUser Musha Sigc.png 09:29, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

It's a "good" answer. It may be true, but GW2 has passed its infancy and they need to tweak the requirements now, not in 3 years. As for grouping, apart from a small group of personal friends, most of the people I know from the wiki are US based, I am Europe based. So, no guesting for largegroups for me. :( --Claret (talk) 10:27, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Uzolan's Mechanical Orchestra‎[edit]

Naughty me. --Claret (talk) 00:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

trimming heart infobox[edit]

remember to remove the exp (and karma/coin) parameter on heart infoboxes :D--Relyk ~ talk < 17:10, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Will do, thanks. --Claret (talk) 17:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up[edit]

You know me, happy under my rock trying to get all the POI's done. Someone should make a "Wiki: Pages to add to your watchlist"... Is not getting any posts on your talk page a good thing (haven't screwed anything up) or a bad thing? Yoe Dude (talk) 03:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

For me it's about 50/50. But I think your attention to detail might be a good thing in a subsequent go at this preview. if you're available, I certainly think you should have a turn at it. --Claret (talk) 08:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
No sooner do I mention lack of posts, I get one from Pling Opps! Oh and I am working in Harathi Hinterlands this weekend, and I hate red links so I'll most likely try and make the skill event's that are missing, I'm sure I won't do this right, could you take a look at any new event pages I make since I think this is your area of expertise. Yoe Dude (talk) 02:02, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
You do them fine but I am sure I will check them anyway and find some trivial thing to change. OCD is endemic on wikis. :) --Claret (talk) 02:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello again[edit]

Today we are working in the same area. You just stubbed my two POI's within Cloven Hoof Pass inside Harathi Hinterlands while I was wasting time getting the silly vista (with the edit window open, my bad I'm being slow through here) No biggie just a heads up. I have 5 more of these POI's to get done, the mega event is going on my world so I am slow to edit. And I will find that last skill, at some point but hopefully that's what you're doing and it will be there once I get to it. Plus I love to Chat =) Yoe Dude (talk) 18:36, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Darn! I had forgotten you were working on Harathi. I'm sorry if you lost any work. If so apologies. I will stop stubbing now. --Claret (talk) 18:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Like I said no biggie, I didn't lose anything. Kind of my bad for not refreshing my open windows from time to time. But I did and see I don't have to worry about that last skill event! =) Sleep well my friend, I'll have this all done for you in the morning. Yoe Dude (talk) 19:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Speaking of skill events, Defeat the ancient warbeast and its pack I don't think is right. The starting object is wrong and the main and local area pages may need to have this skill renamed. Sadly I warped to Lion's Arch before I noticed this. If I have time I'll walk Steph out there and re verify since Beth died many many times doing this area. Maybe you're still in the area. (I also forgot to get a screen of it while I was doing it's POI page.) Yoe Dude (talk) 22:09, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
No it was just a stub for a redlink - it'll do later. It definitely wasn't right. --Claret (talk) 22:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Tasks Scouted[edit]

Hello there :) How about "Renown Hearts Revealed" rather than "Tasks Scouted". That is exactly what they do, after all, and their real usefulness, apart from hearing the story of the area of course. --Alad (talk) 00:30, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Would be a valid choice but I was going off someone else's format i.e. one in Caledon Forest which I was told was the best layouts, Caledon Forest that is. If I were designing from scratch... At this stage, I am just getting the work done, like much of the wiki, it's innaccurate as hell, and it's taking me a while to sort the contents out. I am not inclined to go back and change that title, I have done all the starter zones and Kessex Hills as well as some bits elsewhere. OTOH, if you feel stongly enough I would not take exception if you did. OTOH again, a bot could change it all if it was felt appropriate. Let me know what you want to do. --Claret (talk) 00:38, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
just say "Renown hearts"?--Relyk ~ talk < 00:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Bot would be great, thank you. :D (<wink-wink> at bot owners) --Alad (talk) 01:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Without seeming to be too awkward, "Tasks scouted" works for me, it's not something I feel strongly about but I have done "a bunch". It's the lack of data integrity that's more of my concern. Anyone is welcome to change my title if they really want to, but I would respectfully suggest that there are much more urgent problems. I can certainly think of multiple bot tasks that would be "nice" but hesitate to ask as the main bot writer seems so busy. So, if anyone wants to change all the ones I have done, feel free. If I notice that this has happened then I will probably adapt my current format to fit. If they do change them, then let me know, please.
You can always nitpick, and we're all guilty of it, but when about a third of the scouts' data is innaccurate, that's my concern. It's walking characters around to get the before and after text, it's the updating of the dialogues of the heart NPCs and fixing both fairly trivial and less trivial heart NPCs' information. And it spins off to further data correction. Guys, it's the data that matters, not the precise wording of a fairly obscure layout. IMHO, ofc. Whatever you decide, let me know. --Claret (talk) 01:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I know how you feel. :) This work should be automated by obtaining all the data directly from the data source. They feel like chores, and updating or changing anything requires so much work. Hopefully it will happen soon (the API is a good start, now we need to generate those pages automatically). --Alad (talk) 04:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
{{scout hearts}}--Relyk ~ talk < 06:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Relyk, but {{scout table}} does the same thing functionally and in a table form with the heart's NPC. I would find this format more useful if I were a newb finding stuff.
Ahh ishmael already got there. I guess a table is useful for that.--Relyk ~ talk < 17:44, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Did he, I "found" it on a Caledon Forest scout. But, hey, thanks for your effort anyway. --Claret (talk) 17:47, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
He wrote that up after I overhauled the heart infobox. Forgot all about it.--Relyk ~ talk < 17:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
The correct in-game term is Task. I'm not sure where "Renown Heart" came from, but it's never used in the game that I can remember. I have suggested a renaming within the wiki, but it got shot down.
And "scouted" makes perfect sense, because that's what a scout does, they scout things. ;) —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 12:28, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Well if that's the correct word... What can I say. --Claret (talk) 14:16, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
That will be a future change. If we change it, it will be more than just the scout subsection name anyways :P--Relyk ~ talk < 17:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
The wiki is full of occurrences of "renown heart" to refer to these NPCs. "Taks Scouted" is indeed correct if you think about it for a while, but it's not as direct and easy to grasp as any expression which says what these scouts do: They reveal the locations of heart NPCs on the map (and tell the area's story). I'm not that attached to this subject to continue arguing about it, but that was my first reaction when I saw this expression for the first time a couple of days ago. --Alad (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
As above, I don't disagree, but for now I will stick with what I have got and if the title requires changing later, it can be done by one of the wizards quickly or someone else slowly. I am not attached to the title, again, it's just what I picked up in a good example of a scout page (technically). --Claret (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Governmental proportions[edit]

Only the selection...the actual work is pretty neat since it's all up to you. Vahkris (talk) 22:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Your selection, completely justified, was absolutely fine. But the bureaucracy has started. The next candidate will have to submit a Powerpoint presentation, obtain a funding grant, appoint auditors, and be subject to an oversight committee. Their submissions will be checked by the clipboard brigade and measure against improbable criteria. The clipboard brigade will have to find something wrong to justify their existence. The unfortunate person will then be vilified on national TV and be monitored by the FBI for the rest of their life. BTW, it's actually worse. The writing's on the wall. --Claret (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Forget slippery slope, we are headed down a waterfall. How's your day claret?--Relyk ~ talk < 23:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
What is even going on here. Felix Omni Signature.png 23:34, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
@Relyk: Could be better, still trying to puzzle how stuff like {{area events}} actually works. My initial impression was that increasing the number pipes and curly brackets made it better but that's obviously wrong. Rearranging them, now that has possibilities.
@Felix: I was excercing my pre-frontal lobes involving the sarcasm centres (that's centers for you ex-colonials). --Claret (talk) 23:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Don't be crazy, the FBI isn't involved. It's the CIA. NCSoft is offshore, remember? :P I've still got to figure out a good way to do a walkthrough for this jumping puzzle. It's a doozy. Although I did find out that thieves make excellent screenshot takers. Now I want to make that same thief in Live. Can't help you with area events...I barely understand all the code behind these wiki thingamabobs.Vahkris (talk) 01:27, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
FBI has you fooled too. :) --Claret (talk) 01:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

File deletion[edit]

I saw you tagged those user files for deletion again. Even after deletion (which is really hiding the file from view), the file stays around on the server somewhere, so it doesn't save any space to delete files on a wiki, it just creates more links on Special:WantedFiles + uglifies talk pages. -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 12:04, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Was it again? sorry. OK, I guess that's the Internet. Waiting to have more bytes in it than stars in the Universe. Thanks, I'll leave them alone then. --Claret (talk) 12:06, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the love[edit]

I'm sure I said this before, but I LOVE working on pages in areas where you have been working, fully filled out hearts and events make what I am doing so much easier. Big fan of copy and paste here. Thanks for the kodo's even though you don't totally agree with my level of detail. Nice to see someone like myself that may not agree with something but still appreciate the effort. Yoe Dude (talk) 18:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

We're not going to agree on everything and I am utterly at peace with that. In all honesty, I envy you your ability to tell a story in a poi. --Claret (talk) 23:11, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


You'll probably need to wrap that snippet like this:

$(document).ready(function() {

That makes sure the snippet doesn't run until the document is fully loaded and ready to be displayed. Otherwise it'll probably run before your browser builds the element it's trying to hide. (Again, my personal js uses old functionality to do the same thing.) —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 20:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

can you check it please User:Claret/common.js --Claret (talk) 20:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
That looks good, and it should be working for you. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 20:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, muchley. --Claret (talk) 20:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Multiple area events?[edit]

I know we talked about this... Escort the Vigil to the Tower of Modius starts at a POI in the area the event states, but heads to yet another POI about 1/2 way through the next zone area Area AREA. Was any consensus reached? Yoe Dude (talk) 22:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I have no problem (nor does anyone else) with listing them in all the areas they pass through and {{area events}} will duely list them in each area also. Is that what you are asking? --Claret (talk) 23:07, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, yes... did the infobox get fixed? neither <br> or , was working last time I tried to edit an event like this. Yoe Dude (talk) 02:33, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
See Escort Moa Trainer Kappa and her pygmy moas to Beetletun - it's working --Claret (talk) 02:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Discussion started but consensus wasn't reached on User talk:Relyk#Area Events issues. We aren't using the area parameter to mark what areas the event passes through or ends at, only wheres it starts in. Ishmael detailed what we would likely do.--Relyk ~ talk < 02:44, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
As a consensus was not reached, I took poke's approach, "You are missing the point though. When I’m in an area, and I look at its article, I want to know all the events that somehow take place there. Not only those that are starting there."' But I actually personally use it mainly for events which cross areas. But, I am of the strong opinion that if an event happens in an area then the area should reflect that. I really can't see any good reason in the discussion as to why not. There was talk about that "starts in" is the wrong parameter but untill a consensus arises on the naming of other parameters, the present practice of area-a, area-b will work fine. It's the most useful to the user, IMHO. If an event has a start_npc in an area and its "happening" in another, then I would use the "happening" area, not both. The location of the start_npc can be found on its page. As an aside, it's not uncommon to have a heart npc in one area when all the action happens in an adjacent area(s). In that case, I sometimes move the "heart's" location to the business area, the npc can be found on its own page, here again, I wish for multiple location. But I am not slavish about it. Time… I have said before, it's the functional usefullness that I go for. Doing scouts, it's remarkable how many's location is their zone. Makes it really easy to find them if you don't know where the scouts' table is. So basically, when the "new" framework of parameters is introduced, I will happily go through the events I have edited with multiple areas and move then to the new format. I honestly don't think that should be a priority though. As I go through things I find large amounts of fairly basic data missing or inaccurate. Anyway, you get my drift, I'm sure. If I overinterpreted my understanding that multiple locations was OK "for now" then sorry. But I reread the section you linked and I am still of the impression that it was "OK for now". --Claret (talk) 03:13, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Also, the discussion was six weeks ago. I have not heard anything about any real proposed changes, hearing them in a discussion that peters out is not solid information. Without being big-headed, I would have thought it reasonable to tell heavy editors of events, a small number of us, if there were concrete changes in the near future. I would have been perfectly happy to include dummy alternate locations eg location-passes-thru = The Heartwoods etc if they were in the offing.
You can have a user page to keep track of events you want to added parameters to. No need to use the infobox as a notepad for stuff we want to implement, but haven't yet. Implementing a passes and ends parameter would be simple enough you could make an example and propose the changes on the infobox talk page. The stuff ishmael said (I have my response to it) is enough to work with.--Relyk ~ talk < 03:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
I wan't clear. I have no problem with using "location" as it is now. With infrequent double areas and a very few more than that. what I was trying to say was that if anyone else wanted to produce an expanded parameter set for the event infobox then I would be happy (well maybe not ecstatic) to go over the events and apply my "overuse" of the "starts in" to any other parameters derived but please, if someone is going to do it, tell me. --Claret (talk) 03:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Add Template:Event infobox to your watchlist :P--Relyk ~ talk < 03:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant discuss that it was actively being worked on, not done. --Claret (talk) 05:06, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Battle in the Vault[edit]

I believe the infobox on Defeat the Ascalonian soldier, Horace should be reverted back to the way I had listed it: with all 3 previous events listed. The Horace event does not start until all 3, Trueshot, Pitney, and Cappo, have been killed. Yes, you can kill those 3 in any order, but Horace doesn't spawn until the other 3 are dead. This makes all 3 of their respective events a requirement for the Horace event and thus all 3 events should be listed as event_prev on the Horace event. The event_prev, event_success, and event_failure don't indicate order of event accessibility, but order of sequence of events in a chain– basically triggers for follow-up events. Succeeding at 1 event will cause another event to trigger, and viceversa, failing at 1 event will cause another event to trigger. Since Trueshot, Pitney, and Cappo are all concurrent events, succeeding at the Trueshot event does not trigger the Pitney event. Instead, succeeding at all 3 events causes Horace to trigger. --MushaUser Musha Sigc.png 22:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I see your point. Are you sure that Horace only spawns when all 3 are killed or that he spawns when Cappo dies. It would be a very difficult thing to prove. Certainly he spawns when Cappo dies as he's the last of the three before him but to prove that all three were needed, you would have to bypass the other two and show it fails. That would be virtually impossible. Have you actually tested it with bypassing? I do feel that the way I have it illustrates the de facto chain of events from a user's point of view. Unless you can prove that avoiding the first two and killing the third fails to spawn Horace then I think it should be left at it is. I have a feeling that only ANet could tell us and they don't talk about such things. If you really can't agree, we should ask for "adjudication". --Claret (talk) 23:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, I thought I was sure.. lol. I'll see what I can do to test this. --MushaUser Musha Sigc.png 23:08, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
tbh, Musha, it's frankly not worth the bother, even for OCDs like us. You would need a very large number of people to adequately test it. At the end of the day, it really does not matter. From the users' pov, it is as it says right now. Let me know what any experiments reveal if you can't resist. --Claret (talk) 23:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, I couldn't resist- lol. It really wasn't hard or a bother. Some friends and I ran to the very back of the vault and started with Cappo. We killed her first, and it didn't trigger Horace. We had to kill both Pitney and Trueshot to get Horace to spawn. Should you desire it, here's a screenshot: User Musha Cappo Kill.png. You can click on it to enlarge it. With this new information, I went ahead and changed it back. --MushaUser Musha Sigc.png 08:07, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't need screenshots, if I can't trust someone then… I'm sorry, I was wrong. On the other hand, I'm worried about you. :)--Claret (talk) 12:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Just a thought[edit]

I've noticed you've started using the success/fail arrows on the location pages for the events section. I haven't seen these until today and I like them very much- it's so much cleaner! But, while I'm not against doing it this way, the thought occurs to me that other people may be. Perhaps you should hold off on implementing this for now, if just to avoid any unnecessary edits in the future should it come to that, until a convention can be established. What are your thoughts?

Also, as I posted on the Location formatting page, if we do go with these arrows, how could we indicate events that follow another event under a success AND fail condition, and how could we indicate events that follow after multiple events that are in different parts of an event chain? --MushaUser Musha Sigc.png 18:30, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

See my reply on the Location formatting page. As for Brisban, someone else started it. I was just following along. As I said there, I think it's impossible to indent/multibullet/iconise something that really requires a flow-chart to adequately describe it. I would stick with text. Sometimes it's possible to over engineer a simple problem. --Claret (talk) 18:44, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Anet and bugs[edit]

For the third time -----

Moved to User_talk:Claret/Oh My Oh My

Escalating situations[edit]

Hi Claret. In that long last section, many users did things they probably shouldn't have done; me included, actually. I don't think bumping that thread early with an anti-ANet message was healthy for the discussion, and I apologize for that. However, and I say this in full realization of how you carry yourself, please try not to have last-word wars with other users. Ishmael and relyk made their point in a couple of posts; you responded and decided to ignore their advice (which is fine, obviously). But if they keep posting without adding content or bringing up new facets of an argument, it's often wisest to simply not respond. I know it feels like you're "losing" the argument, but you aren't really; you've already made it clear that you have no intention of stopping your posts, and anything else they say about it is largely irrelevant.
Obviously this doesn't give you free reign to just post whatever wherever you want, but given that your posts weren't harmful or disruptive to begin with it's not that big a deal to just brush off a polite request with a polite decline, and leave it at that. The whole conversation got very messy very quickly when people kept posting back and forth without any new points to make. In the future, try not to extend those kinds of conversation with last-wording, especially if the conversation has ended and nobody is bringing up any valid points. Thanks :D -Auron 04:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Too late, I am furious. I offered to let the matter drop, they didn't want to. And no, god damn it, I am not going to let them have the last word. Liars and bullies should never be tolerated. If you think this is escalation… --Claret (talk) 04:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
I also am guilty of prolonging that discussion longer than it needed to go. I'm trying to make up for it by giving some advice to various people from the point of view of someone who doesn't give a damn about wiki politics. So...
There's two ways to describe things on wiki talk pages: Ok and Dramatic. Flagrantly and blatantly disregarding a sysop's warning is Not Ok. It's time for you to take a step back from the wiki, make a martini, relax, play some smash bros or something, and come back tomorrow. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 04:43, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
If you are furious, then take a day off. Posting in anger is never the solution to problems on a wiki; it leads to frustration and personal attacks, which you've already started by calling Ishmael dense in the first sentence of your post to him. Take a day, clear your head, and come back tomorrow ready to work civilly to solve any problems you see on the wiki. Attempting to "escalate" by posting angrily will very quickly lead to bans. -Auron 04:48, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Wow, thanks, I am bullied and lied about and I should clear my head. I call someone dense and it's wrong but I am attacked by a wall of "fucks" and "fucking". I guess that's fine. If you're looking for personal attacks, you don't have to look very far in this discussion to see where they started and dense is a long way down the chain. I'll shut up as long as they do. If they start again then I will respond. If that means you ban me, then so be it. There's a price to pay for everything in life, and I hope my sense of justice will be prepared to pay. --Claret (talk) 05:00, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
It's a rant page, just how I feel about it and not arguing that I'm right or anything. I consider my last response on the subject the one on your talk page, not the rant. I apologize if it upset you.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:21, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Relyk, regarding "rant page", sorry, I don't know the habits of this type of wiki, I am an old(ish) woman who cut her teeth on a ZX81 and Apple II, I don't follow this kind of thing, my children do. A couple of posts on Wowhead before I saw the light. I am truly sorry that this situation spiralled so far and fast. It probably does none of us any credit. I, in my turn, apologise. I can be sensitive to what I consider unwarranted criticism, maybe too sensitive. There's probably age and culture elements there too. I have a high regard for you and your advice. Hopefully it can continue. --Claret (talk) 05:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, nobody has made a rant page on the wiki except that one. It's to funnel an argument into a brick wall instead of people. Brick walls don't give a shit and are far less expensive than people.--Relyk ~ talk < 06:01, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
You're a philosopher at heart… --Claret (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
He's one in bed too. -Auron 06:13, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Youngsters!! Pshaw! No stamina. Not like in my day… Sleep is for the weak. --Claret (talk) 06:27, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I "Dude'd" on your page[edit]

Here =) Yoe Dude (talk) 22:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Charrgate Haven may take a bit, I don't have any-one close, and it costs Steph too much $ to move there from Cursed Shore, but I'll put it on my list, sorry about the over edit, I've been having REAL issues with my ISP lately, they are sending some-one out tomorrow. Not sure if I'll get much done tonight, I keep hanging/logging off about every 2-3 minutes.Yoe Dude (talk) 22:59, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
All I meant was to put it on your list. No hurry, just letting you know for the record. g/l with ISP, if they're anything like ours, you have a 25% chance of it being fixed. --Claret (talk) 23:01, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Very interesting place, we'll have to make it one of the top tourist locations... Played a very long time looking for a good place to SLEEP! =) Too tired to make the page tonight but I think I have the screens for it! Yoe Dude (talk) 04:59, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Got it for you. =) And a new modem, can't wait to get the next patch to see how much better this connection is, I got lucky this time. Yoe Dude (talk) 21:54, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Excellent. Nothing quite like a new modem. --Claret (talk) 21:56, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

A note[edit]

Hi Claret,

I just wanted to mention one little thing: when you proposed this page as a candidate for deletion, the second part of the reason you gave was rather inappropriate

Since the wiki is publicly visible, it should stay inline with our values and policies. While the action and the first part of the reason may be appropriate. Let me know if you have questions.

Thanks. --Stephane Lo Presti talk 19:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Let me also add that I wanted to mention this particular situation but I'm not talking about anything else. I want this to be clear and not be confused with anything else. --Stephane Lo Presti talk 20:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Replied by email. --Claret (talk) 21:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


Hi. I sent you an email via the wiki a week or two ago. Did you get it? (Maybe caught by spam filter?). Either way, please let me know — no need to reply. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:28, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't recollect receiving one, try again please. --Claret (talk) 20:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Take Two sent. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 21:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


I've seen you reference the API like you are able to access it and read what's in there. Can you please tell me how you are doing this? --MushaUser Musha Sigc.png 08:03, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I use and I copy/paste the results into an Excel spreadsheet to merge and manipulate the data for my use. This gives me a view of current events. For individual events, I send queries directly, construct a simple web page to query groups of events from the APIs as above or just simply use the wiki widget at the bottom of info boxes. --Claret (talk) 10:58, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Event question[edit]

Your page "Defeat Risen Treasure Hunter Gilbert" I was seeing as "Defeat Gilbert, the Risen Treasure Hunter" with two "Gilbert's Crew" and a start object "Gilbert's Treasure Map", not sure if I should make a new page if mine is a different event or just move/edit yours? Yoe Dude (talk) 07:56, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

You're right, can you move the page and update the event starter also, please? I never saw it personally, it's one of those that were in bits and I "guessed it". Thanks. --Claret (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
No, don't move it D: A bunny is killed every time you move an event page.--Relyk ~ talk < 08:56, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Move it twice, and redirect everything. Damn bunnies!!!! --Claret (talk) 08:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh god, the Bunny Spirit cries in despair.--Relyk ~ talk < 09:04, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
The bunnies have truly despaired. Bjarni has thrown himself off (of - for the Yanks) Hangrammr Climb. --Claret (talk) 09:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
All better now =) Yoe Dude (talk) 19:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

<reset indent> This may be off topic but it's still an event question... Trying to track down events for area pages, I hit one that doesn't have the "fetch" in the infobox. "Disguise yourself as a Flame Legion soldier and attack the Separatist camp"... does this mean anything? Yoe Dude (talk) 23:52, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

It means that the exact page name doesn't exist in the static hash definition on MediaWiki:EventInfo.js. However, "Disguise yourself as a Flame Legion soldier and attack the Separatist camp" does exist (note the lower-case 'c' in 'camp'). —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 00:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
So, if you're kind, you will move the wrongly capitalized one, since you are working on it and update the zone page. --Claret (talk) 00:20, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I'll do it. --Claret (talk) 00:44, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Very nice, I think I fixed the links now so maybe I can lose the redirect page. When I posted I hadn't seen the event so no way of knowing the spelling, it just was coming up on the area page. Added your talk page to my watch list again, this and you main page, I don't need to look for anything. =) Yoe Dude (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I put the old version up for deletion already. --Claret (talk) 18:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Events finding, moving and tagging for delete[edit]

(Edited) (1) Generally speaking, if an event does not have a "fetch" in its infobox, it's either a misspelling, wrong capitalization, terminal punctuation or the name has drifted from when the event was first found (beta maybe) to what it is now. Also, if it's a newly discovered event, I believe it has to be added to a list, Poke does this. You can check the correct names on Bear in mind, the wiki drops the terminal "." and "!". I think they keep the terminal "?". Also, some skill challenge events are called "Skill challenge:Defeat Dr Ishmael and his scurvy crew." We omit the Skill challenge bit, for now at least.

(2)When you move an event to correct it, Semantic Wiki gets confused so, on the new version page, remove the infobox, save the event, update the caches by clicking on the time display or the refresh tab a couple of times then re-add the infobox, save and update the caches again. No idea how it works but it seems to. --Claret (talk) 00:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

LOL! Nice sense of humour Claret. :D With regard to mispelling... it's krewe not crew. --Alad (talk) 21:53, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I notice you didn't argue with the "scurvy". They don't call us limeys for nothing. :) --Claret (talk) 22:21, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
When you tag something for deletion, if you could note that in the edit summary, that would be very helpful. I follow RC constantly (but I hardly ever look at GW2W:DEL), so they'd get handled in a much more timely fashion if I were to see "+delete" or something as I scan the change list. (Leaving an edit summary is a good idea in any case, unless you're just fixing typos or formatting or something minor like that.) —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 18:32, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I always imagined you would look at the delete list if you are looking for stuff to delete but I'll add it to the summary. I thought I did note non-trivial changes but maybe I slipped somewhat. Thanks for reminder. --Claret (talk) 18:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
The parenthetical wasn't directed at you specifically, just a general observation. I do that a lot. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 18:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
OTOH, it was a timely reminder. I have been lax of late. --Claret (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Another reminder - "don't remove page content when tagging for deletion" also applies to redirects. Just put the delete tag first, this will disable the redirect but leave the link on the page so I don't have to go into the history to check up on the target page. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 19:03, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Okidoke --Claret (talk) 19:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
TYVM! —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 19:07, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Page redirects[edit]

Thank you for fixing those for me, I forgot to check them so I hadn't even noticed! -- My Talk Lacky 17:12, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

It was fine. I interfere regularly :) --Claret (talk) 17:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

The Ringmaster dialogue[edit]

Hi, I'm the one who was editing Ringmaster and Artist's Workshop. Just wanted to give you a personal heads up; I'm going to undo your edit on The Ringmaster — not because it's wrong, but because I had a new idea and now I'd like to save that page with the dot-thingy format to use as an example for the soon-to-be-created (read: after I get some sleep) Project:Personal Story. I hope you don't mind (and I hope I'm not breaking any rule). This will also be for Project:Quotes and Dialogues as that particular project has major significance for the Personal Story pages. If you're interested, I encourage you to check it out once it's up, and bring your ideas. Vahkris already offered assistance but the more the better to get a good discussion going on how to arrange the formats, gather examples, etc.! :) -- 03:40, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, by all means, I just edited it as I was in between a couple of things and was filling time. generally speaking, it's a wiki, and I expect to be re-edited. Unless someone's following me around, re-editing for the sake of it, as happens from time to time, there's no problem. But, please lose the bullets, I think the wiki makes overmuch use of them and they often look just silly. Happily, your examples page seems to avoid them. I'll watch that page and jump in if I see something of interest. --Claret (talk) 09:39, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi again, quick update: Project:Personal storyline. While I'm at it, the current example on the Dialogues project page wasn't mine - I was planning to propose the bullet-format, but clearly that won't be optimal, as you pointed out. The current format doesn't quite do it for me though, but that's a discussion for the project page. Thanks for the input! :) --Sacropedia (talk) 16:07, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

wvw formatting[edit]

thanks for going thew and formatting the pages there is so much work that needs to be done there and every time I try and get into it I get overwhelmed but thanks!-User Zesbeer sig.png Zesbeer 19:52, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

It needed doing so… - the formatting is fine but the events and such are not, That's next.


Yeah, we need a way to relate an id to area because the most basic option would be to add a qualifier to the event by each area. All the information is the same apart from enemies scaling with the area and a map of the event location. We still need to set Property:Starts in, so leaving the location as "Various" doesn't work. This would be a good time to address other events that do this like skritt burglar events. Maybe use the location section to set subobjects that hold an id, area, and map file. That's my guess on how we'll get it to work.

But for now, if we list all the areas in the infobox, it will be a giant list but be picked up by {{area events}}.--Relyk ~ talk < 22:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

As I said there are 44 of Defeat the Aetherblade Captain, 44 of Drive off the Aetherblade pirates, 44 of Duel with the Queen's Champion, 44 of Escort the overdue emissary to the hot-air balloon making 176 events that you would have to deduce the correct IDs for and it's murderously difficult to work out which ID relates to which area. There are 44 versions of the Balloon Pilot which need locations, since there are 5 champions that can occur at each duel site, that's 220 champions to define. Putting it very bluntly, if you want to work out which ID belongs to which event, and define the 176/440+ pages to be puristically correct then by all means go ahead. You may have finished by the time they disappear. User:Tennessee_Ernie_Ford made a start on the skritt burglar, I have not checked back to see how it went. Again, you're welcome to make the 80 pages. That project will at least be around for a while and maybe, I stress maybe, be worth while. I really am convinced that the time and effort needed to identify IDs and make 176 pages for temporary events is an utter waste of time. OTOH, it's a game and so, by definition, a waste of time. I realise that it "offends" your sense of the proper thing to do, and I sympathise, but I would respectfully suggest that your talents could be better spent elsewhere. I could give you a wish list of material that would occupy you for a while and would have long term benefits to wiki editors like me. In the meantime, please let "varies" stand - at least until you have the 176 pages ready, it tells the message. --Claret (talk) 22:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
I haven't checked, but I thought the API provides the starting location of the event.--Relyk ~ talk < 23:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
AFAIK, the zone but that's still 2 per zone to work out. --Claret (talk) 23:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
It's still 176 pages for a few weeks. My comments on its need stand. --Claret (talk) 23:51, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Apart from that, the wiki is a collaboration and I consider myself a wiki editor just like you. "I would respectfully suggest that your talents could be better spent elsewhere" and "I could give you a wish list of material that would occupy you for a while and would have long term benefits to wiki editors like me." is the same as telling me to buzz off and really wasn't necessary. You created the event articles and reverted my edits, so I brought the issue up here for how to improve beyond leaving "varies" in the infobox. If this wasn't the right place, I can bring it up on the community portal for discussion instead :)--Relyk ~ talk < 23:58, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
For the records, I think the last update was a terrible one for the wiki… poke | talk 00:08, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
It's British English idiom for saying, very politely, that I think that creating 176 pages is a lot of work for no real benefit - we are generally indirect. The comments about your time being better spent was, again, meant politely. If the benefit is a completist sense of completion then it's fine. I can understand your wish for utter completeness, I was just suggesting that, in my opinion - not necessarily yours, that you could spend your time elsewhere. I do see the value to the skritt burglar pages. Having a wish list was a trivial aside. I really wouldn't have the inclination to tell you to buzz off, I was 'arguing" my opinion and I recognise that in this kind of discussion, your opinion is as good as mine, better maybe. But, all I was really saying was that if you want to go that route, fine, just leave the "Varies" until you are ready to commit the other 175 pages. What and how you spend your time is entirely your business. --Claret (talk) 00:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
as for putting all the areas in the infobox, the word "ridiculous" from another page springs to mind. And it was, just that it worked. --Claret (talk) 00:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
That's how I described Reinforcements will arrive shortly when you added all the areas to the event, so sorry if I'm getting a mixed message.--Relyk ~ talk < 00:23, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I am agreeing that Reinforcements will arrive shortly was functionally OK but certainly looked ridiculous. I was saying that your "But for now, if we list all the areas in the infobox, it will be a giant list but be picked up by {{area events}}" would leave an even longer list. I think we may be at cross purposes here :) That's the curse of text communication, no tone of voice or body language. --Claret (talk) 00:29, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
We normally have maybe 2-3 areas max in the infobox, then it jumps up to ridiculous to >20 areas for these category of events. We can agree that whether its 20 or 127 areas, the infobox isn't the ideal place to list. While sorting out this current case of temporary content is a waste of time, it will be the same approach for the events that are permanent content like the aforementioned example, skritt burglar, and other events that may be seasonal or temporary. I'd rather address the temporary content first and move to permanent content to save time for who ever happens to feel like they need to go back and document the temporary events correctly, although it may not be you or I.--Relyk ~ talk < 00:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
OK, that's fine. I look forward to seeing it. I must say there's a philosophical difference here. My view of the wiki is as a tool for users and I have no doubt whatsoever that the average user coming for information will not want to wade through all these pages. But others see is an academic exercise in recording 100% of what goes on down to miniscule detail, useful or not. So we can call this a clash of philosophies. I may be right, partially right, or wrong - who's to say. --Claret (talk) 00:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The main point is to tie the event id to some page on the wiki so people can link to the event on the wiki, like gw2state for example. We also need it if we want to implement our own dynamic map and fetch the information from the API. Someone will find it useful beyond it being an exercise in documenting every detail (I hope).--Relyk ~ talk < 01:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

PoI "The New Bridge"[edit]

Could you please have a look at this page?. You created this page in June of this year, but at the described location is not such a PoI. It was allready marked forspeedy by someone else, but I changed it in the hope you can shred some lights on this. Thanks Ranique (talk) 10:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Vorpp's quest[edit]

you know each of specific piece is obtained from a specific enemy, you can't just copy paste the same acquisition.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:55, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I was fairly sure that they were randomly obtained from "any" of the champs and the others just followed on. As I remember, but I am not 100% sure. If you know better, by all means correct it. --Claret (talk) 05:57, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Emissary Vorpp's Field Assistant details what it requires.--Relyk ~ talk < 06:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks/sorry. Do you want me to correct the bits or you? --Claret (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
done. --Claret (talk) 06:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


I haven't been into WvW, did they keep the same area name (e.g. Demontrance Lake) even though the lake is gone? —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 15:38, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the areas are still lakes - there is a bit of water. BTW, your rename of the lake picture just put it back where is was and it's no longer accurate. --Claret (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I did that deliberately. There's no reason to move the old map to a different name just to archive it. Upload the new map at the same name. And I actually moved it again, and the other two, to the proper name for map images. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 15:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Terminal punctuation[edit]

Any particular reason why it should not be used? "Bonus round: defeat Modus Sceleris!" is the event name taken from Rakuin (talk) 09:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

No particular reason except that it is the "policy" of the wiki. Personally I think it's wrong but I have had my additions with terminal punctuation changed and the "policy" pointed out to me several times by the "old school" wikiers. yeah, and I know the wiki does not have policies but it sure feels like them at times. Some get round it by using a redirect with the punctuation but… All the events are listed in the API call as having terminal periods/full stops but you don't see those either. many of the skill challenge events have "Skill challenge: " before the name but those are omitted too. Defeat Scarlet is another that has lost its exclamation. Not a satisfactory answer but it's all I have :) --Claret (talk) 10:08, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Nothing is set in stone! If the current method of punctuation is dumb, bring it up on community portal or specific guideline talk page and talk about how it could be better (and, of course, why it would be better). There are probably reasons the "old school" crowd remove punctuation, but if it's just "I'm lazy" or something you can easily mold consensus. (And if their reasons are legit... well, at least you tried :p ) -Auron 10:16, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Ofc nothing is set in stone. I answered the question. There are very many anomalies on the wiki but my past dabbling in such matters as been largely a waste of time. Much discussion and no action. Basically, I am sticking to the status quo until others argue it to a new consensus. I can happily live with "no terminal punctuation" or "terminal punctuation", there's only so many hours in a day. --Claret (talk) 10:26, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I was just throwing it out there in case mr rakuin wanted to bring the case to court -Auron 10:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I assumed it was somekind of "policy" but it's just wrong. =/ I'm not gonna complain about it this time though. I have tried to get discussion going on some things and I already feel like a nuisance. Also, I am no man. Rakuin (talk) 10:41, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Rakuin, me neither. And thanks, Auron, I understand that. --Claret (talk) 10:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't recall the discussion, but off the top of my head, it's because any quest with a ? in the title will bork the wiki a bit. --JonTheMon (talk) 12:07, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Maybe a particular case was turned into a general case and it may have been thought a waste of time to ad the periods. Sometimes custom is lost in history. --Claret (talk) 12:10, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
i think it was common sense. You dont want terminal punctuation in the middle of a sentence and putting a period after an event name on every page is redundant and forces you to follow a wikilink to the event with "event". It also looks bad for a page title and turns out to mess with the url with a ?. The ? case was months after the format was devided i think, jon dealt with it.--Relyk ~ talk < 19:04, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
That makes complete sense. Thanks. --Claret (talk) 13:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

SMW properties on my user pages[edit]

wrap offending code in <pre> tags. None of the templates in my userspace (or anyone's) should generate properties if it's been implemented. ^^--Relyk ~ talk < 17:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

If you look back through that pages history, it used an example of a heart with a scout, The stale information polluted the {{scout table}} of the scout I was working on, the one used in your example. Delete/restore worked, it seemed the easiest thing to do. Again, sorry to interfere. --Claret (talk) 18:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
No no, do whatever the hell you want with my user pages if they mess up stuff.--Relyk ~ talk < 18:06, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll be careful though. :) --Claret (talk) 18:08, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Mossy Duelists Boots[edit]

What *is* the correctly named item? Would be helpful to note that in the delete reason. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 23:57, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

OOPs, yes, sorry, Mossy Duelist's Boots --Claret (talk) 23:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
ty —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 04:02, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Please double-check yourself when stating things like this. On Defend the Pact Camp at Shelter's Gate, you stated that "Defend the Pact Camp at Shelter's Gate" was the correct title, but you meant Defend the Pact camp at Shelter's Gate. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 04:07, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
I guess that at times I am tired and make errors. Sorry. I guess when you "fix" about 250 orphaned files that some error is bound to creep in. --Claret (talk) 10:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

SMW fixes[edit]

You've been doing that on the wrong pages. List of hearts in Iron Marches is a page that queries semantic data, it doesn't store any. We only need to blank-and-revert on pages that store semantic data, and only after they've been moved. All you need to do on those pages, I'm thinking, is click on the "refresh" tab. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 00:15, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I had hoped it would work but, unless I'm going mad, it does not seem to - refreshing everything that moves and no luck. Maybe I need to wait. BTW, it looks like very many hearts are misnamed. Or maybe I have been unlucky. I'll persevere when I do the next. --Claret (talk) 00:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps a null edit will work (click edit, click save without changing anything). Usually a simple purge will work to update a page when the data it queries has changed, but a null edit certainly will. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 03:36, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Will do. I'll let you know if/when problems. Thanks. --Claret (talk) 03:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps bypassing your browser cache may help? Sol Solus (talk) 04:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
No, because that doesn't necessarily force SMW to update even if the page does. Sometimes you have to wait a bit.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I'll fiddle with the refresh, clear my browser cache and wait. Covering all options… Thanks everyone for your advice though. --Claret (talk) 05:22, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for cleaning up after me. I'm such clumsy/lazy editor. Rakuin (talk) 23:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

No, it's fine, I just have a method and am a bit neurotic about it, like many wiki contributors. :) BTW your "Raquel Ardon" is actually a pre-existing Raquel Ardor - I have taken some of your dialogue and applied it to correct NPC, and put yours up for deletion. --Claret (talk) 23:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I guess being neurotic is an advantage in this wiki thing =3 And seems like I have been typoing, so thanks again ^^ Rakuin (talk) 10:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

1/2 baked thought[edit]

The Champion Toxic Wurm Queen is a foe I'd be scared to place in a race, I have so many slayer titles I can never tell what race things belong to. I wonder if this guy counts for "wurm" or if this is a new class of guys, similar to "risen"? Yoe Dude (talk) 08:14, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, it just looks like a wurm. It was originally an "Ice Wurm" then changed to "Toxic Wurm". My feeling is call it a "Wurm" until it's established if "Toxic Wurm" is a race or a group like "Bandit". Wurm covers a large number of variants and seems to be a shape description to an extent. But I, like you, am far from sure. --Claret (talk) 08:21, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


[1]--Relyk ~ talk < 03:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

A mistake, wow. I am mortified. --Claret (talk) 06:59, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


how many editors does it take to fix a bug :) -Chieftain AlexUser Chieftain Alex sig.png 20:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

We obviously need a few more. --Claret (talk) 20:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
I think it's all renamed. Thank you for the fixes Claret and Alex! ^^ --W.Wolf (talk) 21:09, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
It was fun, I think. NP --Claret (talk) 21:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

for SMW's idiosyncrasies[edit]

"1. a mode of behavior or way of thought peculiar to an individual."

We oughta teach this SMW bastard a lesson, spam images of Trahearne on his talk page.--Relyk ~ talk < 14:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

darn right. The unmitigated .... --Claret (talk) 16:20, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I was trying to force a categorization of Sanctum of Secrets but its enclosing location is inside an instance so it does not work. I have no idea if that's design or not. --Claret (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
It's never by design. It's silly of anet to put a PoI in the chantry of secrets.--Relyk ~ talk < 09:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for fixing that for me Claret^^ --W.Wolf (talk) 08:25, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I knew my OCD would be useful one day :) --Claret (talk) 08:26, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


I know we're bitter enemies and all, but that shouldn't preclude you from doing things for me. I seen here that you added Nalk as an NPC in western ward. I have looked high and low and was not able to locate him. Do you remember where hew as when you added him? I suspect that you are just a big fat liar. Psycho Robot (talk) 00:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Looking at the history, Psycho, "Nalk Flinkklaue" has been in as a red-link since 2012, May. My edit just reordered them. But I will plead guilty anyway and throw myself on your mercy. --Claret (talk) 00:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)--Claret (talk) 00:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)