Talk:Black Citadel

There may be cultural biases

"There may be cultural biases or other difficulties, but it is possible for a human to visit the charr’s Black Citadel, or for a charr to walk the streets of Divinity’s Reach" (Ree Soesbee).-- Shew 15:06, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Damn, you get the info for new pages fast. Obie Quiet

Didn't find this article, though. Tr0n did.-- Shew 16:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

My guess for which legion controls this: Ash Legion. Let's see if I'm right. -- Konig/talk 21:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

iron! InfestedHydralisk 21:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

New article name

Just as The Grove is called "The Grove," The Black Citadel is called "The Black Citadel." The source is an official Q/A document released by Ree Soesbee, Game Designer.-- Shew 04:00, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Not sure about the move. We generally omit the "the". --Santax (talk · contribs) 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

We don't omit if it is part of the name (such as The Underworld, The Rift, and The Mists - even if the is lowercased in some cases), and with the listing, it says "The Black Citadel - capital of the Iron Legion" instead of "Black Citadel - capital of the Iron Legion." In fact, this actually supports the names being The Underworld, The Rift, and The Mists, instead of Underworld, Rift, and Mists (which Shew, if I remember correctly, always argued against adding the "the"). -- Konig/talk 01:35, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I did. Since it was decided to leave "The" in "The Grove," we need to be consistent.-- Shew 04:02, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think is part of the name though, it's just listed as "The Black Citadel" because it would be grammatically incorrect to list it as "Black Citadel". You wouldn't talk about the Ash Legion without a "the", for example - "Ash Legion is a High Legion" just doesn't sound right - but the article is still called just "Ash Legion". We only tend to add the "the" in articles where the name is a single word. We don't have "The Henge of Denravi" or "The Gate of Torment". I think you're probably reading into it a bit too much. The "the" is always lowercase except at the start of sentences, by the way. --Santax (talk · contribs) 13:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Again, it's to be consistent with "the Grove." "The" is in "the Grove" because that's how people (more importantly, ANet) refer to the location, and the fact that "Grove" is one word doesn't have anything to do with why "the" is in the name. The same goes for "the Black Citadel." If "the Black Citadel" is moved to "Black Citadel," then "the Grove" will be moved to "Grove." I would be fine with this, as that's how I really think it should be, but consistency is more important.-- Shew 16:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

It is impossible to tell, without asking or seeing it on the map, whether the name is "the Black Citadel" or "Black Citadel." "The Grove" and "The Underworld" along with "The Rift" and "The Mists" may be a completely different case. There's names were "the" is part of the name, and there are cases where "the" is used to define the name (or solidify it). The Underworld, for instance, in GW1 is called "The Underworld" not the "Underworld" - as shown by the loading screen, just like The Hall of Heroes. For now, I say it is better to just keep it here instead of having a moving war. If it turns out to be "Black Citadel" in GW2, then we'll move it back - same with The Rift, The Mists, and The Grove. Unlike what Shew wants, it won't be consistent because it is two different scenarios. -- Konig/talk 20:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Well in that case I'd argue that Black Citadel is more aesthetically pleasing as an article title. But I suppose that's subjective. --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes that's subjective because I personally like "The Black Citadel" more. I do agree with Konig, keep it here for the time being and move it once the game is out and it is without a 'the' Rhonin Soren 13:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Not that it matters anymore, because what ends up in game is what actually counts, but as I understand it, naming conventions for places usually go something like this: "The Blue Diner", "The Sloppy Diner", "Joe's Diner", "Smith's Diner", "Innsmouth Diner", "The Diner" Hrafn 23:42, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

That said, I just found this [1]Hrafn 00:21, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Iron Citadel = Black Citadel

Why did you redirect from Iron Citadel to Black Citadel? I thought the black citadel was now called Iron Citadel.... or am I mistaken? o.o 75.90.149.4 12:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

In this interview, they use Black Citadel when talking about the capitals of the charr: "The Blood and Ash legions have their own major citadels, to the north and east, but the one closest to the other races is the Black Citadel of the Iron Legion." So I guess it's this way. But if there will be another source for Iron Citadel and they start using it more, like they slowly started using lower-case names of races, we can, of course, turn it the other way round. · LOQUAY · 12:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

ooh I see. ^_^ Thanks for explaining! 75.90.149.4 13:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The Black Citadel is the new name. Though I don't think it's The Black Citadel but the Black Citadel. -- 216.125.49.252 16:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

" The Black Citadel has a steampunk vibe to it. " I'm not entirely sure about the wording of this trivia section ._. ~ Bow 03:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Any better? --Kyoshi (Talk) 04:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Far, far better. ~ Bow 02:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Rytlock

If this is the Iron Legion capital, why Rytlock is a tribune of the Blood Legion has as duty "Vanguard of the Black Citadel" as he says on the races od Tyria trailer? And is this going to be the starting city (Charr capital) of the charr? or just the headquarters of the Iron Legion? Lokheit 02:55, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I think the closest thing that can answer your question is 2 up above. - Lucian 3:40, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Yep, it more or less answers the second one (though it could be lame to have one of the 3 legions bases as the "capital"). But didn't answer the Rytlock one :( Lokheit 13:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Pretty sure he says that just to avoid confusion in a video meant to promote the game. If he said "vanguard for the Blood Citadel" (or a less obvious name), GW fans would be confused and possibly think that that name was a major area in GW2, and it would mislead new fans. They also want to promote the Black Citadel as a major Charr area. Another, in-lore explanation is that he considers himself a Charr first, and a Blood Legion second. When dealing with other races Charr would probably stop infighting and "band together". In addition, Most of the high-ranking people/things/stuff for the Charr are probably based in the Black Citadel, if for no other reason than organization.

Sorry if that's a bit long-winded :P --Thunderduck 22:20 5 June (UTC)

Map

We can use this map? Black Citadel of gwmaps.co.cc i see en guru. Lasha 16:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Nolani and Rin

Have someone noticed that, unlike other gw1 locations, Nolani and Rin are in the same position and at the same distance? It seems that the buildings of Rin are in the same place, too, and even the land has the same shape. 151.66.245.128 14:46, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the description cuts it any more.

Siege devices and mechanical traps?

This no longer holds true. We know from the beta weekend that the Black Citadel manufactures vehicles, tanks, all manner of mechanical weapons, armaments for charr and allied troops, and more. It's a factory city, and should be treated as such.

It's the only city with a supermassive smelter and an area named The Factorium. It's really underselling the Black Citadel, unfairly.

I propose that we have something like: "The Black Citadel is the factory city of the charr's Iron Legion, where many things are manufactured in large numbers. Such as vehicles, tanks, technological armaments, and things of that ilk, which are then distributed throughout the charr legions and amongst charr allies."

I know people like hating on the charr due to a distaste for technology (I love it, myself), but we can't ignore what's in the game.77.107.172.208 03:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

In fact, looking at it... the description is really barren and doesn't even mention the Imperator's Core. So I've written up a much more full and accurate description. I feel that this represents the current state of knowledge via GW2 better.77.107.172.208 03:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Charmable Pet list

Juvenile Pets : Juvenile Whiptail Devourer, Juvenile Lashtail Devourer --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.240.44.19 (talk).

See map for locations: [[:File:Black_Citadel_Pet_Locations.jpg]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lauritajuanita (talk) at 04:51, 29 August 2013 (UTC).

NPCs

Someone should list npcs, I would but I am a wiki novice. I say this because I went to chat to an npc in the zone vitrix skritkiller and he had some very interesting dialogue regarding the races BUT he wouldn't say his opinion on sylvari as that was the race I was at the time. I came to the wiki to see if I could find out what the other dialogue would be but there is no such page which i thought was a shame --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.61.225.116 (talk).

welcome to the wiki, I think how we currently list npcs is by sub section so that npc you are looking for is probbably listed in that sub named area an easy way to look that up is to mouse over your mini map and search the name at the top. also try in game /wiki and then the name of the npc. that will automatically search the wiki for you. also if you need help with any thing feel free to ask. making a list of npc names for example is easy you just make the list with the correct npc spelling from the game and then add these brackets: [[]] so it would look like: [[npc name]] also don't forget to sign. do so by using tildes (~~~~)- Zesbeer 07:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)