User talk:Jade Prince/Archive 1/Archive 1

—Dr Ishmael Cyber Bullying me about a Luck Contribution

"destroy it without record" means exactly the same thing as "have no effect." A "record" (whatever you mean by that) is a form of effect, so "without record" equals "no effect." —Dr Ishmael 19:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

No, it does not. Comprehensively, it is an act of destroying the Essence without record. It is important to recognize the importance of consuming luck after maxed overflow. z Anet will not refund your essence. (without record) To continue to shorten and cheapen the description is to continue this narcissistic behavior. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jade Prince (talk • contribs) at 19:32, 2 September 2014‎ (UTC).

I don't understand why you're belaboring this point. There's nothing else you can do with essences after you've reached max Luck anyway, right? They're account bound and aren't used for anything else (outside of a few esoteric recipes), so why does it matter whether there's a record or not? —Dr Ishmael 19:47, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Obviously you don't understand. Essence is used outside of consumption. Even if it was not. How is it you do not know the benefit of holding on to anything for possible use at a later time. Why do you continue to belabor over something you know not nothing about. Have you any experiences of your own. This is what you do. You Edit. Your the Edit person.

Its always everyone else isn't it. Never you. You are always correct. Everyone else just gets in your way. You know. Your way is the best way to get the job done. You put the 'i' in Te-i-amwork don't you. I checked your history. This is what you do. This is your life. Have at it. Enjoy being so awesome, that no one else can ever compare. No one needs to contribute to Wiki ever again. you got this. Take it away "Dr Does It All" This is you. This is all you. Please, do change it and everything else that is not of your own works. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jade Prince (talk • contribs) at 21:56, 2 September 2014‎ (UTC).

There is no need to get defensive. Ishmael was doing what was in the best interest of the wiki - which is to deny any room for confusion or ambiguity. Please try to be civil and non-accusatory and you may discover a compromise that will satisfy both parties while still being correct. --Ventriloquist 21:06, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Your right, Thank You —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jade Prince (talk • contribs) at 21:12, 2 September 2014‎ (UTC).

When I attempted to rewrite that as "consumed", I mean that the item is removed from your inventory. Is that not exactly the same as what you have now written? -Chieftain Alex 21:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Irony. I am probably the only party in question, that has experienced this and maxed mf. I am washing my hands of you. No effect, means no change as a consequence. There is an obvious effect. The Essence of Luck, which has a purpose, is Destroyed. That is an effect, plan and simple. You will not get it back. So go ahead, lead people to believe there is 'no effect'. Enjoy yourselves. 21:39, 2 September 2014‎ Jade Prince

Consuming the essence is the action, not the effect. You're saying that "consuming the essence will cause it to be consumed" which is redundant. —Dr Ishmael 21:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

That is not a quote from me. I said, "It is destroyed." Consuming is the action. I have not said otherwise. The effect is Destroy. This is an important message to convey. There is an effect. This effects players like me, that clicked passed this point, unaware of such effect. But, I can see that I have crossed into unknown territory.

Take a moment to view this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uubqe6ZK6s[1], and ask yourself this question. Does this person think there will be "no effect", or rather an imminent Destruction of Valuable Essence of Luck. If you guessed "no effect", you are correct. Either way, my hands are clean. I tried. Its on you now.

Consuming something always destroys it. That's what it means to be a consumable. And I think that's where this entire misunderstanding has its root. —Dr Ishmael 22:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Consume:to destroy or expend by use; use up.

• Use:to employ for some purpose; put into service; make use of.

• Destroy: to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.

So in this case it is NOT "consumed" it is "Destroyed". NOT the same. Nothing is being used here at all. Not consumed at all. "And I think that's where this entire misunderstanding has its root." Jade Prince (talk) 22:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Like I said. It is on you now to project of this what you will. I give up. :: Take a moment to view this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uubqe6ZK6s[2], and ask yourself this question. Does this person think there will be "no effect", or rather an imminent Destruction of Valuable Essence of Luck. If you guessed "no effect", you are correct. Either way, my hands are clean. I tried. Its on you now.Jade Prince (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

It seems you overlooked part of your definition of "by use" - I highlighted it for you. —Dr Ishmael 23:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

It seems you overlooked part of my definition of "by use" - I highlighted it for you. DESTROY BY USE Does not apply here. It is not USED. Jade Prince (talk) 23:53, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Does your Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Helpers Peers know your harassing me about this?

Welcome to the Wiki?

Hey, I just noticed the conversation you had about luck. And that it, well, could have gone better. You should realize that you've made an impact on the wiki already, since the essence (if you'll pardon the pun) of your goal was to indicate that luck used after you've maxed out is wasted, and that's been added more clearly to the article. Which is good. So I hope you'll be able to contribute again.

Speaking from experience, I know that it can be a struggle to convey a minority opinion, especially when I'm convinced the majority is misunderstanding the underlying issue. It's especially difficult when people seem to dig in to their original view point rather than keeping an open mind about it. I've tried a lot of strategies when this happens and they boil down to:

• Patiently explain, again, using new words.
• Move on, i.e. decide that life is too short or there are more important issues to resolve.
• Enlist an ally, someone else on the wiki who will look at it with a different view, perhaps even agreeing with me.
• Sometimes, realize that I was wrong in the first place. Admit it (and apologize if appropriate) and move on.

I recognize that you had a rough start, but I hope it doesn't deter you from trying again. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 06:31, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello and Thank You,

The message I wanted available for other players is there now. I couldn't ask for more at this point. I do understand that there is a culture within the traffic and works of the veteran users. However, I was not prepared for such hierarchy, or the culture of it; within the scope of an evolving source like this. A good friend of mine has taken the time to break down the appropriate course of action for delving into this culture. I did not recognize the discussion tab, nor could I have readily perceived it as the correct tool for implementing into this source.

My best expression of all this is that am a military man. Take from that what you will. But, from that I intend to express a non caddy mentality, topped off by an unconditional fortitude for mission. Meaning, I decided to put information out, that took me months and months to produce, and well... Combine that with the culture of the established hierarchy, within this scope. You then get the bungled record which is now forever displayed upon the archives of this Wiki. Thank You for reaching out, I commend you. I do, however, feel i will realign myself with other sources for now. I was perhaps, no more ready for this culture, than this culture was for me.

I have a Jumping puzzle guide that I think I will retreat to. You may have a look from my banner link on https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyd9wYZL9D-UmJScKnyYJEw, or here also https://www.dropbox.com/s/9whx32d1m3biakg/CEPHUS%27%20Jumping%20Puzzle%20Handbook%20YouTube%20Version.pdf?dl=0. Any thoughts you may have for it, is of-course welcomed. That is obviously a better outsource for me at this point. Jade Prince (talk) 15:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Also if you have anything to add on this. Its a compilation of all the wall art found in game and its source. https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxz6ibmtfuqv5zm/Guild%20Wars%202%20Wall%20Art%20Found%20In-Game.pdf?dl=0