User talk:Cael

The Last Adventurer?

→ moved from Talk:Professions reveal

I have been waiting to post this for awhile so since some asked, here goes. This is purely my own working theory based on information available so feel free to disagree... First, there is a lot of artwork, storyline, gameplay information involving aquatic/sea/ocean/sailing themes. Underwater exploration we all know is going to be a significant part of adventuring. In the trailers and lore we see Zhaitan rising, wreaking ships and raising minions from the sea. The Edge of Destiny character Magnus the Bloody Handed is also referenced to in a profession sort of way(I'm leaving it at that for those who haven't read the book yet). There are many, many small pieces that contribute to this picture. Second, sometime during discussion there was commentary stating there would be a profession which uses guns but not bows. Since we now know the Thief wields a shortbow it leaves this slot open. Third, on the artwork line but I saw a slide from one of the GDC's(I can't find it now, if any has a link please post it)depicting a male and female Norn in some leather strappy type armor. It was labeled 'Nornpirate' These things lead me to believe the last adventurer profession is going to be a marine type profession maybe called a Pirate, Sailor or Mariner. What does everyone else think? --Cael 03:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think they were planning on that extreme an amount of boat-related gameplay. Also, remember that pirate groups are enemies that burn villages. Zolann The Irreverent 03:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

This isn't a public forum, and I'm not the only one removing your post, two other users have come in independently to make the correction. (Xu Davella 04:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC))

See my blatant note in the Recent Changes. - Infinite - talk 05:01, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

O_O (Xu Davella 05:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC))

But other than that, speculation on your user page is fine. That is why it was moved here. :> - Infinite - talk 05:05, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Stop

If you continue to re-add your comment to Professions Reveal you will be blocked. PLease read the above comments. There is no free speech on the internet, and we don't want speculation on that page. This is an official warning. 05:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

For the consensus I mentioned, it can be found in this archive. - Infinite - talk 05:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

An official warning from who? The Felix, Infinite, Xu, Ekko, who are most likely all the same person in the cyber-bully consortium??? So Infinite/Aiko writes a post saying he doesn't want speculation on that page and that makes it so??? There is not even a consensus on the link you sent other than with you same 3 trolls here now!!! The only thing consistent is Infinite a, 19 year old, repeatedly pushing for his/your idea and signing in/posting under your other names to get your way! Someone takes their time to write a legitimate post for the community to discuss a completely appropriate idea and you take upon yourself to screw w them. Tell me Mr. 19 year old other than on your keyboard where exactly do you get off??? Oh no please don't ban me from writing on a forum you pathetic little Nazi. Go ahead and prove me right, goose-step along now... btw I've had 50 HoM points & GWWAM since the calc came out Felix.

And one last thing just to say something constructive which would have prevented this entire string. If you want to have a Professions Speculation tab you should have made a dedicated link for it right on the GW2 wiki main page or on Professions page itself. That way people can easily find it, read it and post on it w/o the need for any moderation and you wouldn't have to spend hours moving conversations, and getting told how inept you are, etc. --Cael 06:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) tl;dr - a Wiki is not a forum. Also, Felix is an admin here, whereas I am not. We reached consensus (a general agreement) that speculation was to be dealt with this way. Feel free to contest the consensus at any time (that is how a wiki works). Alternatively, you may wish to try the List of fansites for a place to speculate. You can also speculate on user space (your own or topics on others'). We only asked a few thousand times not to have it on main space and respective talk pages. It is people like you who just don't catch on, which is why sterner measures are taken.

Also, I strongly dislike you calling me a nazi over and over and I request you would stop that. Have a good day. Also, my age does not represent a childish mind in any way. Perverted at best. - Infinite - talk 06:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

"all the same person in the cyber-bully consortium" Because they're definitely the same person and definitely started with the unreasonable insults. ::"So Infinite/Aiko writes a post saying he doesn't want speculation on that page and that makes it so" No, there was general consensus made between the members of this wiki that speculation had to be dealt with in this manner.

"his/your idea and signing in/posting under your other names to get your way" Lol'd at this one.

"Someone takes their time to write a legitimate post for the community to discuss a completely appropriate idea and you take upon yourself to screw w them." You were given warning (see; the top of the page) not to put it their, this whole thing could have been avoided if you could the text we bothered to put into lovely boxes for you.

"Oh no please don't ban me from writing on a forum you pathetic little Nazi." 1. The wiki isn't a forum. 2. If you're banned, no one would care. 3. Nazi? Really?

"btw I've had 50 HoM points & GWWAM since the calc came out Felix." Wow, didn't know the amount of time you spend clicking on Shadow Form a day was an accurate measure of intelligence.

Anyways, that is what I would've said if I liked instigating people to reap in their reactions and quietly laugh at my computer. Instead, I'll remind you that the wiki is not a forum, nor would any point be proven if you were banned. No one is benefiting from the situation, so I'd suggest you just stop so we can all get back to fixing grammar issues on articles. And head over to Guild Wars 2 Guru. I was told by some wise sage that that is a forum about GW2. Eive 06:31, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Simple solution; don't act like a Nazi and you won't get called one. Again, this whole thing wouldn't have happened had you and the other Hitler Youth been competent enough to create a link on the main page for a profession speculation page. I didn't start my original post to piss anyone off. I simply wanted to talk about an idea in response to someone else's question. I did however take exception to my post being repeatedly moved and told it wasn't appropriate. Look at all the convo's that have moved been to the 'Misplaced' section. Other than you who is going to look in a tab labeled 'misplaced'??? Not to mention the amount of time you've spent complaining about it. & yes, and clearly at 19 you are not competent enough to figure out a better way to solve the situation. I'll say it again creating a Profession Speculation link right on the main page and on the Professions page would be a much smarter way to go. --Cael 06:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Until you understand that we are keeping speculation and general chatter about stuff off the wiki, I will rest my case with another "Have a good day." if you don't mind me leaving. - Infinite - talk 06:38, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) "Other than you who is going to look in a tab labeled 'misplaced'???" I think you've discovered the point of Misplaced Discussions. The wiki isn't a forum, and I don't believe anyone here has plans on it becoming one anytime soon. Beyond that, a "Profession Speculation" link is exactly what we have. List of fansites On that page are several options for you to choose from. Also, please remember to indent your comments using : thanks. Eive 06:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

You really don't get it!!! GW2 is something people are very excited about. Of course, people are going to speculate!!!! Look at all the speculation there has been, you can't stop it. So create a easily accessible place for it and problem solved! Your last response is exactly why your behavior is that of a Nazi because you want it have it only your way to the exclusion of all others. How many people's posts have been moved to the misplaced??? This proves my point. They all clearly want and are speculating. It has, is and will happen. It's already on the wiki. So keep it organized by simply create a dedicated speculation tab. Problem solved!!!

Except a wiki was never designed for speculation and until people understand that, we shall continue our futile attempts into oblivion. - Infinite - talk 06:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, you may wish to read this article before posting another unintelligent comment. - Infinite - talk 06:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

That was the best laugh ever!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I can barely stop laugh HAHAHAHAHA ing long enough to type! Now I'll just refer to you as Infinite Idiot!!! GJ, II!!!!! Yep, 19, you took a great idea on how to improve the GW2 wiki community, not to mention achieve YOUR goal of having a better organized wiki and put it in the internet gas chamber!!! Enjoy being a janitor! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:99.72.195.220 (talk).

...nice knowing you, dude (Xu Davella 07:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC))

I wish we were all janitors. Then we'd get paid for the time we spend here. Eive 07:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup on aisle three. Ge4ce-Talk-Contribs 08:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

That's enough troll-feeding. This discussion is over. Cael, you can speculate until your dick explodes at Guild Wars Guru. 09:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The arguments and insults you're coming up with aren't helping your case, Cael. I think speculation shouldn't be as rigorously policed as it is, but calling the people who have clout on this site Nazis or idiots, or referring to said people derogatorily by their age, doesn't really help your cause. Just digging yourself a bigger hole. And before you assume I'm another member of the 'Hitler Youth,' look at the discussion on my talk page that started much like this one did on the Mesmer page.--Ph03n1x 18:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)--Ph03n1x 18:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The problem I have with said 'Hitler Youth' was that they immediately and repeatedly moved a perfectly legitimate post without identifying themselves or what they were trying to accomplish. If the little prepubescent jerks had taken a moment to do so I would not have gone off on them. Additionally, the whole anti-speculation 'consensus' was STARTED and LED by Infinite(Aiko 19) who is the same person(along w a few of his sympathizers) to move everyone's posts to his little 'misplaced' tab as if only his/their opinion counts for what a 'discussion' page should contain. I also suggested a perfectly reasonable solution of setting up a dedicated speculation page to which he only ignored because he personally doesn't want speculation. Obviously, a large number of people who visit and post on this wiki do. Unfortunately, the little 19 year tyrant in his little modicum of power only believes in censorship. Again, such behavior is consistent with that of the Nazi's which is why I drew the parallel. Do I believe he actually is a Nazi, as in he wants Hitler's Germany restored, no I don't. I do however believe that his posts and actions here clearly practice censorship based his personal preference and he uses his little position as a moderator or whatever it's called to enforce his belief to the exclusion of others. The purpose of a wiki is to share information. The purpose of a discussion tab is to allow for free expression of different ideas. Granted, I absolutely believe it is important to do so in an organized manner and agree having an organized wiki is needed. Again, this why I suggested a single dedicated speculation page with direct links on the main page. -Cael

First and foremost, the wiki is a source of information. Regular contributers to this wiki understand that speculation is to be kept in user space because if there was a speculation tab, that speculation would constantly have to be archived, as who doesn't like to give their opinion on something? The constant maintenance the additional tab would involve would deem it a hassle. Speculation would then bypass the user space filter, thus clogging RC. It's not worth the maintenance.-- Shew 00:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

And I'll add this: The majority of people who post speculation on articles' discussion pages are simply passersby.-- Shew 00:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Speculation also gets in the way of facts. —smøni 00:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

"they immediately and repeatedly moved a perfectly legitimate post without identifying themselves or what they were trying to accomplish." They did, almost immediately after you re-added it

"If the little prepubescent jerks had taken a moment to do so I would not have gone off on them." see above

"Additionally, the whole anti-speculation 'consensus' was STARTED and LED by Infinite" No, it has been brought up and repeatedly mentioned since before the warrior reveal, infinite was the first person to be bold about it, which is something that is encouraged here

"who is the same person(along w a few of his sympathizers)" you mean the active GW2W community who agreed on the misplaced discussions section?

"to move everyone's" only speculation

" posts to his little 'misplaced' tab as if only his/their opinion counts for what a 'discussion' page should contain." talk pages are meant for discussion on the articles themselves

"I also suggested a perfectly reasonable solution" which has already been discussed, and then dismissed because it would spam recent changes, and that is the reason for the existence of forums

"because he personally doesn't want speculation" again, see the "entire active wiki community that has been discussing this for months

"large number of people who visit and post on this wiki do" almost always IPs who don't know any better and people that only frequent the wiki for a few days at most, not worth our time

"little modicum of power" infinite has no power, he is a regular user, like me and you

"little position as a moderator or whatever it's called to enforce his belief to the exclusion of others" see above

"The purpose of a wiki is to share information" The purpose of a wiki is to documents facts

"The purpose of a discussion tab is to allow for free expression of different ideas." The purpose of a discussion tab is to discuss changes to the related article

"Granted, I absolutely believe it is important to do so in an organized manner and agree having an organized wiki is needed. Again, this why I suggested a single dedicated speculation page with direct links on the main page." see previous note on RC spam, and repeated mentions of GW2G

Anyways, I won't be visiting this page again, because I'm fairly certain that Nazi has been used on this page more often than the word the, so... with all the love a Jewish user can give to someone who spouts the words Nazi like children screaming, have fun. Eive 01:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I personally don't see why you're still here. If you truly believe any of the <expletives deleted> stuff you are saying, then you probably also believe that this wiki is a lost cause. There's this little button at the top right that I think you would appreciate the knowledge of: the log out button. If you truly believe that we are so anti-everyone, or even that we have a personal vendetta against you, by all means, please use this button and never come back. You'll probably be so much happier you don't have to associate with us "Nazi"-scum. Regards, Aqua (T|C) 03:03, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) "Do I believe he actually is a Nazi, as in he wants Hitler's Germany restored, no I don't." At least we got that straight. It is quite confusing, not to mention offensive to call someone something even the one saying it doesn't believe in (like calling a clearly heterosexual a fag/homo/etc). I was actually afraid you meant it in the most endangering sense.
As Eive so generously displayed, you were, have been and may be in the future, still mixed up between wiki and forum. Take a look on wikipedia, the first one to speculate there and not be reverted is probably yet to come. It works that way for all (I must insert the word "regulated" here) wikis.
I also want to reinstate my second comment of this topic here: "Feel free to contest the consensus at any time (that is how a wiki works). Alternatively, you may wish to try the List of fansites for a place to speculate. You can also speculate on user space (your own or topics on others')." We cannot outlaw chatter in user talk space, nor do we want to. As long as it's not clear spamming whilst flooding the Recent Changes, people are free to discuss whatever they like in their and others' user talk space, as long as it adheres to any applicable personal talk rules, which users may have set for their talk spaces (example; many users request of other contributors to not "first" them).
The list of fansites is quite big and for a general forum I recommend Guild Wars 2 Guru, as it is probably the closest to a normal forum to speculate in (they have many threads for doing so). Alternatively there are many other places where speculation is accepted, if not encouraged. Such a place would be yours to find or maybe even founded.
If you decide to do none of those things then that is cool too, just please understand why running a wiki with a horde of extremely potent speculating fanboys and fangirls can become uncontrollable in a place like this if we don't make a fair point out of it. Though, granted, had I not been bold, things may have been different (read:I'm not saying better, nor saying worse) on the topic of speculation. But even without me being here at all some action would have been taken eventually. I just so happen to be assertive enough to adress it, which starts the ball rolling.
I do ignite an extreme amount of discussions, but I definitely do not always "get it my way". Felix is probably looking at this comment with a sense of "please don't go there/please just stop, bad monkey", but I am, even now, assuming good faith with your perspectives. - Infinite - talk 08:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

If a talk page is used for trolling, troll-baiting/troll-feeding, or personal attacks, administrators (and I'm one) can lock them too. If these things continue, that's what I'll be doing; this is getting in the way of productive discussion, idea-gathering, and whatever else is acceptable on user talk pages. pling 11:29, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

You guys are acting very childish!!! This discussion should be deleted(in my opinion). -- Necro Shea Mo 01:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Please guys STOP with acting like little kids on the playground!!! Detom10 20:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)