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Welcome to the Guild Wars 2 Wiki.--♥Icyyy♥‎ User IcyyyBlue Elementalist Blue.png 19:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, although it feels silly writing this on my own page Venom20 15:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Na, your just replying to someone else who wrote on your talk page, thats what its for, a way for wiki-ers to get a hold of each other. Now... About that redlink userpage....--Corsair@Yarrr 15:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, trying to figure out the redirect thing, not very good with wiki editing it appears Venom20 16:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Try this one [[User:Venom20|<span style="color:Red">'''Venom'''</span>]][[User_talk|<span style="color:Blue">20</span>]] Just copy and paste this one in, should work.--Corsair@Yarrr 16:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Whoops, it looks like you've got it yourself. On the one I made the 20 redirects to your talk page, which is sort of the norm here.--Corsair@Yarrr 16:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I"m a fan of experimenting with the code, seeing what works, I usually just preview it all unless I am in the middle to testing and I have to go ;) Right now I'm trying to get the cell padding to work here for the user boxes, seems like it should work, but it isn't, time for more testing Venom20 16:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

New Stuff

Just wondering if there is an activity feed on this wiki? I wasn't on the official guild wars wiki, I started on the unofficial one and am used to that one. Does one just go through the "recent changes" link on the left to see the recent activity? Also, shouldn't code be the same across wikis? I've found that code I was using does not appear to function on here, is this normal? Venom20 17:10, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Lets see... We have the recent changes, found on the navigation tab on the left. The community portal can also sometimes hold important things. As far as I know, this wiki uses standard wiki formatting tools, like the one wikipedia uses.--Corsair@Yarrr 17:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I Shouldent skim-read personal info

I am married and have A puppy Siberian Husky.

i should never scim read, and nice life you go there :P --NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 17:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

HAH!! I'm sure it's legal somewhere, and perhaps wanted? .... Venom20 17:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Partner not liking Guild Wars,...

Sucks when they do that, huh? :( --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 17:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. She hasn't even made up her mind if she wants to get GW2!! Crazy people. I'm sure she'll change her mind within the first week of watching me play. Venom20 17:51, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
You're lucky she at least likes MW2.--Corsair@Yarrr 18:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Make her a charr then call her a pussy (cat) 8D --NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 18:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Hahahah, nice!! She'd probably be a charr anyways. I believe she'd make a charr ranger, they look pretty good. But in regards to MW2, I"m lucky if I even get to play!! She's a fiend, lol Venom20 18:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Well, be glad. My girlfriend hardly ever plays games, even though she insists she likes gaming D: WHAT?? --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 18:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a fraud!! (no offense) Venom20 18:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
None taken. Just be happy yours is in fact a gamer xD. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 21:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Single (for life)!!!! OMG, that is so sad =( -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 21:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
It's not that sad. Well I can see it being sad if all your friends have partners or if you are like 26 and have never been with anyone. Hopefully this isn't you and I won't have to put my foot further into my mouth Venom20 22:19, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Turn the 26 into 19 and the story is sadly almost right =) -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 22:22, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh, shut up, at least you can still do all the stuff you want to do. Everytime my girlfriend's around, it's all about stuff she thinks is fun to do D: But I love her. Lol. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 22:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
19's not sad!! Shit, I was right where you are when I was that age. A buddy of mine (who yes is 25), has not even kissed a girl yet (or a guy, but I'm not judging). Now that is sad Venom20 22:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Ah well, atleast Im a free spirit ^^ -- Cyan User Cyan Light sig.jpg 12:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Everyone loves a free spirit ;) !!! Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 16:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


Hey there. Please upload images with "User_Venom20" at the beginning from now on. Thanks. :)-- Shew 00:50, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Drats, sorry. I though the prefix of Venom20 was sufficient, I will upload other ones with the new prefix Venom20 00:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry about it...I've moved them.-- Shew 00:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
(By the way, you can move articles/files by clicking on the move tab (next to history) and changing the location to a new name.)-- Shew
Hmmm, interesting, good to know, thanks! Venom20 00:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Remember if you're going to use one of those images for your signature, then please redirect them to your user page, talk page, or contributions. Eive Talk Windgrace 02:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
In your sandbox, the image you have with '#REDIRECT[User_Talk:Venom20]', well,... That's not how you do it xD. If you want that image to redirect, you should go to its filepage, and add '#REDIRECT [[User_Talk:Venom20]]' on top by editing the page. Or I'll do it for you if you're lost ^^. Cheers! --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 09:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, figured that wasn't right when it failed :p. But I don't want it to redirect the image because I plan on using that image later. I'll just edit it out Venom20 #REDIRECT[User_talk:Venom20] 11:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Dumb Question

Anyone know what the +/- numbers are when you do something? When you are checking the recent changes, one can see that it is as if we are being scored on what we contribute. For instance: Talk:Necromancer‎; 03:51 . . (+503) . . Venom20 (Talk | contribs) (→New Section). Did I score 503 points? and if so, where can I view my total score. Thanks Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 03:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

It's how many characters have been added or removed from the page in that edit. No score boards, sorry. --Odal talk 10:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Hah!! Actually that makes sense more than a scoreboard, can't believe I didn't think of that. Thanks Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 12:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

so hot

OMG it is so hot our right now!! Just to put things into perspective, here in Ontario, Canada, it is currently 11:37 PM and it is 37 degrees out right now (that is Celsius, for you imperial people, that would be ~99). For the love of all things holy, it is night, COOL DOWN!! Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 03:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

O.o Spotina Talk 17:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


Please check it before you go on with your redirects :P. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 07:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what your point is. I have seen rally spelled as raly, I have seen profession spelled as proffession, I have seen field spelled as feild, vengeance spelled as vengence, I can go on an on. So who decides what is common? should we post links to locations where we find these spelling mistakes? and how many is enough to warrant a redirect? this policy on purposely misspelled words is quite rediculous, but as long as it stands, I will now be making redirects with misspelled words so that people don't have to learn how to spell. Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 13:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


I am going to be blunt: Raly was not necessary, it is not a common misspelling. Vengence, Resurrect, and the several other pages you linked to are much that they are used on GWW... Aquadrizzt Main Page Designer 13:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

with all due respect, viewing several game forums, raly is a common misspelling of the word and as such, I feel it should stay as long as the others do. Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 13:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Having noted that you copied my delete tag for Raly, I will point this out again. Ressurection and ressurect are common, they are one possible misspelling that happens to be quite common. Note the lack of the other 479001599 possible incorrect combinations of the letters in resurrection. Raly is not a common misspelling. Aquadrizzt Main Page Designer 13:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I disagree Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 13:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
About whether "raly" is necessary or about the reason that "ressurect" and "vengence" are up for deletion? Aquadrizzt Main Page Designer 15:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC) 15:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I disagreed with your comment about the commonality of the misspelled word raly. I do think that an article raly may be unnecessary, in the same line of though I think that any misspelled article is unnecessary. But if these articles are to stand, how are we to define what is common and what isn't? Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 15:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Userpage assistance

I was wondering if someone can explain, or possibly assist me. On my userpage I have 2 show/hides, one for userboxes and one for characters. The box for characters works correctly leaving the show/hide button to the right; however, the userbox button stays immediately beside the word userbox which jumps to the left. Is this something that I am seeing in my browser only? or is there something wrong with my coding. (my money is on the latter)Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 14:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

seemed that the hide buttons are under one another.
seemed to work alright to me. Ariyen 02:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
but for the userbox, when you click on show it jumps to the left. at least for me it does. I tried it in another browser, so I know it's not a FF thing, hmmmm Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 03:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I've just been messing with it, adding div statements, adding |'s, removing things, changing alignments and I can't fix this. I'm going to have to completely redesign it. But it sounds like a tomorrow thing Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 03:53, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Well I couldn't fix it, so time to redesign Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 16:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Copyright images

I would like to upload an image for use in my userpage. But I don't understand copyright enough to go ahead and do it without resulting in it being deleted. The image currently resides on wikipedia with a tag that reads: This image is a work of a United States Department of Energy (or predecessor organization) employee, taken or made during the course of an employee's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, the image is in the public domain. Since it is in the public domain, does that mean it can be used freely? Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 12:06, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I should note that the image is of castle romeo, which is not actually a castle at all Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 12:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC) "...not covered by intellectual property rights at all." So I assume you are allowed to use it without copyright infringement. --Abiohazard User Abiohazard Symbol2.png 17:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Public domain images are allowed; tag with {{public domain image}} when/after you upload. pling User Pling sig.png 14:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, uploaded and tagged Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 16:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


I was wondering if there is a list of available fonts to use on a wiki. I seem to only be able to change the font of words to arial, which I like but I was looking for something different. Just to be certain it isn't me, I've been using the code "font-family:'name'" to select the font. Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 12:41, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone know of said list? is it just web ready fonts? Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 18:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi! I hope this message doesn't annoy you, I just noticed something in RC.

I love your user page. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there's no need to have "Template:" in the URL of a page to be able to use it in such a way. For example - if you move the page accordingly, {{/Myself}} would work just as well as {{/Template:Myself}}.

You are, of course, free to use whichever you prefer, and it's likely not worth the editing to change it. Just thought I'd make sure you know. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 17:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I did not know that. So what you are saying is that I could just create a template and use it without using the words template anywhere? interesting Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 23:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
If it was required, it would need to be at the start. "User:Venom20/Template:Myself" would not work but "Template:User Venom20/Myself" would. But that's beside the point as it's not required, you can get the software to throw in the contents of a page either way. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 11:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


I was trying to add links to the side of my page, just quick ways to edit my userpage but I think I failed. I added some code to User:Venom20/monobook.js thinking that it was going to add some shortcuts here, but it didn't. Even after bypassing my cache. Anyone know how to actually add links in the toolbox on the left, or even better, does anyone know of a site that can assist with editing monobooks?! Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 04:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Now I"m thinking that it's the css that should be alterred, sigh Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Ehm, no, you have to have .js :). Check out my monobook.js, I've got links in my toolbox. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 16:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. I was trying to mimic yours before, but I had an import line before and it wasn't working. I believe that that line was what was screwing my up. But now I've got the links I'd like. Thanks a lot!! Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 16:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


It isn't necessary to add Category:Elementalist skills, for example, on a page like this - the page is already in Category:Fire attunement skills, which is a subcategory in Category:Elementalist skills. Pages should generally be in the most specific subcategory only. pling User Pling sig.png 18:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I see, I was always told that ease was what we were going for here. Though, yes it is redundant to list 2 categories, it also provides a separate classification for someone who may be looking for such lists. Though, in the future I will refrain from redundantly categorizing the skills. Thanks for the heads up :) Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 18:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Could I ask you to remove the redundant cats please? :P pling User Pling sig.png 18:14, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
drats, yeah I could probably run through it. Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 18:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
done Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 19:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


I was stalking your page, and I realized, we have almost exactly the same preferences in game.. Ritualists, races, everything.. O.oSpotina Talk 18:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Seriously?!! That's crazy. I love caster classes. But I prefer ones that can deal a decent amount of damage with the ability to support as well if needed. I see from your userboxes on gw1:user:Spotina that you prefer curses. That's awesome, it's my favourite line of skills. We'll have to wait and see what happenes with the classes in GW2. There is speculation that there may be a necro/rit cross. I hope it is true!!! Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 19:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
OMG me too :DDD Spotina Talk 20:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Blank Page

Start here... Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 14:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


I'm sure I could check out a forum for this, but this is just as close with the high level of computer people. I searched for linux commands through google but I was quite unsuccessful at finding what I was looking for. I'm trying to move up one directory. This seams quite simple, but I cannot seem to locate it. Also, I'm not very proficient in the command line. For instance, if I am in '/home/me/whatever', what do I type to get back to '/home/me'. Usually I just pwd and copy the path I want and cd there. If it helps, I have both ubuntu and mandriva that I would like to do this in, if it differs. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0302-sm.png 15:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll note, btw, that it's actually incredibly rare for people to just notice random questions on your own talk page. I just happened to be looking at RecentChanges at the right moment. Better resources, if google fails and you don't want to sign up for random forum, is an IRC Linux newbie channel. If I recall correctly, the default Ubuntu IRC client is actually set to join the Ubuntu channel on load, or of course you can google for others more specific to your problem. - Tanetris 17:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. I had forgotten about IRC, haven't used it in years. You'd be surprised how many RC whores there are here though (myself included) Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0302-sm.png 19:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

To avoid annoying Pling...

I'm bearing in mind the setting when thinking of things here. Now, since we don't know what the arrow is made of (do we?) it's not a huge stretch to imagine it getting set on fire easily. Where as a bone big enough to be significant in this case somehow finding itself balanced on an arrow... would look quite amusing to say the least.

As much as I respect your position I can't see myself agreeing with you here. Hope you don't mind me moving the conversation, you can send it over to my talk if you want. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.jpg A F K When Needed 22:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I was kind of apprehensive about keeping a conversation going elsewhere as well. Hah, I was just imagining an arrow flying by with a pelvis sitting on top of it!!!! Good times.... But when I was thinking about the bone wall's possible effect, I was envisioning small shards being picked up by the arrow's head. Making it more jagged and therefore possibly having an easier time penetrating through fleshy beings. I'm just hoping that there are more creating projectile interactions than just fire and electricity. I'm hoping for some utterly unique events with this neat setup they've got going. Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 22:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for helping me with her pages, but I had a feeling it was dealing with an about me page more than anything. I found it and fixed. :-) *hugs* Ariyen 23:57, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I saw it, well done!!! I thought it'd be best if I bowed down to the higher wiki editor powers ;) Venom20 [User_talk:Venom20] 00:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
lol I still learn as I'm not perfect. Ariyen 04:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for tagging the arenanet thing in my photo... I'd done it myself, but was just in a down sad mood as I still am some what... Ariyen 18:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I read about it on your pages, sorry to hear what happened. And on top of the sad times, you still had to be in the middle of politics. :(. I was stalking the new files page and saw it there, so I figured I'd tag it. I'd invite you into our guild, but there are only 2 people, :P, so there isn't much socializing heh. This will get better, isn't there a cliché, something about darkest before dawn or something? Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 19:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Yea, politics suck. Sad is most everyone agrees with them. To me, shows that they lack knowledge... Anyway, this guild that we're in has 11 members 4 officers and a leader plus 5 other guilds. Happy too that we're not the only married couple in this guild. I didn't like the previous one threatening people on talking to others, etc., as that's not right to do. I do agree though, it does get very dark, before it gets bright. Happens with anything in life. Ariyen 20:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for updating the photos. :-) Ariyen 08:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Fast move

I just looked at recent changes. You moved Dartship's odd posting in less than a minute, and beat me to the punch in the process, bravo --XerelinFexdrion 20:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

That's because I am procrastinating. In-laws are coming over in a few hours and I need to tidy up. Hmm, clean or troll RC's? Tough choices... Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 20:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Stay Off

Please stay off my talk page you are not welcome there. You are the vandal not me. Ramei Arashi 13:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, are you aware of what a vandal is? Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 14:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

open question for help

Hello, I'm at a loss as to why a template of mine isn't working. Here we will find the annoying template of which I speak. Here is where it can be seen tested. The template itself appears to be doing all of the hard stuff like pulling the correct colour templates and pulling the correct images that are defined. What I cannot figure out is why the style line keeps showing up. It should be the style of the title. I'm trying to create a new template. I used to use a NavFrame block, but this type of block is unavailable on this wiki. Anyways, my coding levels are very minimum and I was wondering if someone could take a look at it. It should drop down to show some information. In the template, the information being shown is {{{3|}}}. And the Title of the box should be {{User:Venom20/Templates/NavFrame icon|{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}}}}} {{{2|Untitled}}}. Based on the testing in my sandbox, the expandable part is working like it should (ie revealing the detail). Any assistance would be greatly appreciated Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 16:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

in case anyone is assisting me, :), I solved the problem of the dropping down and removing the style information. But I introduced a new problem. For some strange reason it now appears on a white background instead of the colour specified. Also the border seems to have vanished even though it is still coded.... Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Crisis averted. I had an extra ">" from an old div I had. Template works as it should. Now I just have to work on widths. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 19:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Navigation templates.

They never reached consensus, please don't put them on the skill pages, or in fact, anywhere on the main space. - Infinite - talk 17:43, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

You referring to the axe one? If so, then you probably need to gather more information. Such as weapon templates are different from skill templates. A weapon template was put on the pages prior to a talk ongoing about a different template altogether. Also, I have created many more of the templates in question and have not put any of them into practice. So next time you feel like sharing something that is completely obvious and unnecessary, please keep it to yourself :), thank you. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Also, congrats on finally figuring out what a consensus is and how one is achieved (or not achieved as the case is) Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I consider that offensive. I'll go produce an NPA policy now. Either way, we all know what consensus is, and we know they were questioned. Your templates were not accepted and in fact contested, so either fix a new consensus OR slap a delete tag on them. Also, don't act superior to me, we're on equal level. - Infinite - talk 17:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Firstly if you are referring to the signet template, that was never created by myself. So please, if you wish to refer to my template, then we are only talking about the axe template that I put into main space. And the discussion on this template has been ongoing for...let me check the clock....excluding a colour comment....14 minutes. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Just don't upload new templates without an initial consensus into the mainspace, and we're cool. I already made a mention of that on the signet nav talk page. - Infinite - talk 17:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
please refer to my first comment in this conversation. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
And who put them there? As far as my history reaches, that was you. So basically; you created the template, then updated the various pages with them and lastly started countering objections. Loophole. - Infinite - talk 18:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I see Dr. Ama was here! --Super Igor User- Super Igor logo.png 18:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
OOOOHHH, I see what you did there. --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 18:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
And who put them there? As far as my history reaches, that was you. So basically; you created the template, then updated the various pages with them and lastly started countering objections. Loophole. - Infinite - talk 18:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) (Reset indent) I didn't want to have to type all this out, but fine... The axe template was created at 17:49 on August 22. Up until that point it was contested (even by myself) and a compromise of sorts was reached. You didn't reach the conversation until 20:48 of the same day (~3 hours late). A discussion was ongoing about signet nav and the template, only a single mention was made towards a weapon nav. Because I view the 2 navs as separate, one would assume that 2 discussions may be needed. The rest of my weapon navs (located here) did not get completed until 02:00 on August 23. Notice please that they never went into mainspace. They have remained unimplemented for their entire existence since the first test one went live. Since the active conversation was active on the signet nav page, I opted not to put them forward (hense the absurdness of "please don't put them on the skill pages"). Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Template:AxeSkillNavBox]] I'm sorry, but that is in mainspace, uploaded by you. RfC before assuming consensus. Also "~3 hours late" Are you mad? If a deletion tag gets 3 days, a consensus indefinitely, you assumed a consensus can be reached in less than THREE HOURS? No, just no. - Infinite - talk 18:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Please read again, and follow my last post more clearly. Also, I don't know what RfC is. If that is a reference to "request for comment" then fine. Look at what is in there. How much of it is actually current? There are links to items that have been archived due to inactive discussions. You'll also notice that I do have something in there waiting for comments, so you can see that I already use it. Also, user:venom20/ is not mainspace. 'They' is a pronoun indicating more than one. And thus the 'they' in the post could not possibly be the axe template. The reference to the three hours late bit was the fact that you were not made aware of any templates until that time. Once I had learned that there was disagreement about them, no future hastiness was made. I fail to see what you are trying to get at. You don't want anything to go live that is contested. Congratulations, this hasn't happened since times and events listed above. So the purpose of telling things that are obviously quite clear without you stating it is what? To attempt to bother me? To attempt to appear superior in the sense that you can police things? To try to gather examples for your determination to force low level policies (ie delete policy). So again, you are relaying information that has already known to have stopped. Why don't you email Commodore International and tell them to stop making Commodore 64's. An extreme analogy, but perhaps a needed one. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
All I am saying is that the very contested nav is indeed in the mainspace. Namely "Template:" as opposed to "User:venom20/Template:", don't go seeking for things that are not there. - Infinite - talk 18:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Excellent advice "don't go seeking for things that are not there". Please follow your advice. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Your remark is uncalled for. - Infinite - talk 18:43, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
As is this entire discussion Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:43, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Most, not all, of this is uncalled for. How about I remove the AxeSkillNavBox from the skills, move it a subpage of Venom's, and we'll keep all the discussion regarding the SkillNavBoxes on a single page instead of across multiple user talk pages and template talk pages? — Gares 18:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Which is what I kept stating before this entire argument. - Infinite - talk 18:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Gares, there is no need to move it. I already have one that I have been working on (in personal space). So for lack of a better term, axe it. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

For now, I'm going to take the template off article pages and we'll leave it at that. And of course, as long as there is a discussion going on regarding these NavBoxes, the page will not be deleted. Let's just keep the discussions civil. — Gares 19:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The icons

We have no guarantee that GW icons will be used in GW2...Why are they in the mainspace? (And besides, they are available, Naoroji has the entire set uploaded). Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 21:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It can be treated as a placeholder if that suits anyone better. The icons are used in many templates on GWW (easy for port over) and some new templates here on GW2W. The same argument can be made with Template:X-color. Also, I'm assuming that people have this large problem with me uploading things to mainspace without checking with the community. This appears to be a popular trend and I don't blame you for jumping on a bandwagon. However, that being said, I don't recall any fuss about this template that was created in May. This template uses this icon that was also uploaded in May. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 22:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


wanted to send a message other than here, but I guess this is the only way to leave a msg. So I'm leaving this... the real msg I still want to keep off here so... I'll be playing the game here in a few. Ariyen 17:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

In case you two are planning to destroy or conquer the world, count me in. User ***EAGLEMUT*** Signature.png ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 18:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
email sent, hoping it doesn't go to junk. Logging off though for a little while, be back in a couple hours. Sorry eagle, no emails for you :S Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe this will help

I happen to saw what you wrote on Aquadrizzt's talk page. I wouldn't worry too much about it people not liking you. I'm not going to say I've seen everyone of your posts or every reply to each one, but you have been a solid contributor thus far. I assume the only problem is your ambitiousness regarding certain subjects. You have some good ideas, but not every one of them is going to get accepted. Just keep thinking of ideas that might improve the wiki, never get to the point where you become uncompromising or uncivil, and stay positive. You'll do fine. — Gares 18:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I do try to remain positive. It gets a heck of alot to get me discouraged :). But aqua's a nice guy, I felt bad about what I said. I try to stay talking about the content. I have always had a way with trying to back up the little guys, especially when I think their cause is valid. Cheers Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 18:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Venom...take it in stride. I know personally (not on the wiki, elsewhere) that sometimes people just don't like certain ideas, regardless of how good they might be. And, by the way, if you hadn't mentioned your post to me, I probably wouldn't have noticed it. Anyway, moral of the story: no harm done, we all have those moments. (And besides, some of your ideas are really good, it would suck to lose you.) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 18:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Don't feel discouraged. You should feel welcome, because you are. Some people just like talking in Troll-language :). Even I do it sometimes,... It doesn't mean we dislike you :). --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 20:22, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
What's this?!! People don't like me?!! /"Blood is Power" Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 21:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


I love you.--NeilUser Neil2250 sig icon5 Anti.png 23:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I made a <3 template. I was going to give you a cookie, but this is better. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 00:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

My sincerest apologies

Time-out for me was required, I let various external reasons affect my comments in that nav discussion. I hope on (from my side) civil discussions in the nearby future. I still object to long navs, thus I will take my idea Naut uploaded for me (unintended) and put it into practise on my sandbox. Also; I felt guilty about you feeling unloved. I value you as much as the next user (save the vandals, they're just a whole different league. ;D). :) So yes, I'm really sorry. - Infinite - talk 23:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

No problems. Sorry it came to what it came to. I was entirely too ambitious. Though I feel that some new designs and new ideas would really improve this wiki, truth is that people are right. We don't have near enough information to actually make anything half decent. Who knows, perhaps you and I can whip something up in the future that will improve upon navs and lists :P. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 02:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

AHHHHHHHHH (need to rant)

Fucking hell!!! Fix your shit!!! I can't take this site anymore. The pages never load and I'm sick and tired of hitting refresh. Every time I go to load a fucking page it stops and I get nothing. Hit reload 4-5x then I finally get a page. And posting and editing is even less pleasent. "Do I want to resend the data?" NO!!! I don't want to fucking resend the fucking data!! I want to send it once and preview my shit!!!!! Fuck it, I can't work like this. I can't even stalk the pages because THEY WON'T FUCKING LOAD!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK! This is on going. Fucking server move was 11 days ago, find the problems and get this shit fixed. /"end rant (for now)" Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 03:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I feel your pain bro. :( ge4ce 04:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Ohhhhhhh so it's the site that's the problem? lol, I actually have a lot more faith in my ISP now.  :) (Xu Davella 16:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC))
though I would like to blame it on my ISP (because I dislike them), I have the same problem across 3 OS's, 3 Browser's, and 2 internet connections. And other people have been having issues. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

New Pages

Can you please add

==Trivia== *{{GWSN}} to any pages you create that have GW1 skill with the same name plz. You just created several and now someone has to go back and do that to all the pages. Thanks (Usaf1a8xx 16:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

That's not going to help note the skill on gw1. It's also not trivia, but a fact. Ariyen 17:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
As weird as it is to note every single skill (or other article for that matter) as having a link to GWW, people have been using the {{gww}} infobox to document this. Sorry in advance if this makes a case of double handling. :P (Xu Davella 17:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC))
Now I'm actually wondering as to if we should actually link to the GW1 skill on GW2W. - Infinite - talk 17:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I think we should. Ariyen 17:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
The discussion at Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Requests for comment/GWW Links on Skills went more towards using a trivia note than the {{gww}} template for skill pages. Also, the template name is {{Guild Wars skill}}, not {{GWSN}} (that was its old location). pling User Pling sig.png 17:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I was looking for that conversation, but couldn't find it Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 17:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, Pling. :) (Was also looking for it.) - Infinite - talk 00:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the help in trying to implement the new category tree for skills, I was becoming tired of doing it all by myself : ) One thing I have no idea what to do about are the signets. They are not specific to a single profession, and they are the kind of thing that would work better if placed together, but I don't want to create a third "Skills by function" or whatever category just to list things like signets, chain skills and charged skills.
I was thinking about doing the same thing I have done for chain skills so far - split everything in "Warrior signet skills", "Charr signet skills" and etc, each within its own profession or race category, and make a more general Signet category grouping everything. I still have no idea of where to place that Signet category, though. What do you think? Erasculio 00:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I had just read that on the other talk page. Before I read it I had done signet skills and put signet skills into utility skills. Breaking it up into profession is tedious, but could end up being better for now. I'm going to change it to match the style of the chain and charged skills. I'm assuming then that "warrior signet skills" -> "warrior skills"? Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 00:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, at least until we figure out a better way of doing it. Thanks for the help, it's really appreciated (I was kinda expecting the first person to notice what I was doing to revert everything and go to my talk page make a very long rant about how we have to discuss those changes before implementing them, ignoring the discussion at the skill category talk page). Erasculio 00:31, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Heh, yeah I was honestly waiting for that as well. I think this method has a natural way of categorizing skills. Of course there are a few bugs (like signets, chains, etc) but it should flow better this way. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 00:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Trait icons

I just wanted to stop by and thank you for uploading the trait icons you have so far. They definitely make the trait lists look nicer. :) --Emelend 15:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I only wish there were more screenshots for me to get more. Hopefully PAX will produce more and I can get back to flexing my mediocre GIMP muscles. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 15:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure with PAX will come a wealth of new screenshots and information. I'm betting there will be more than a few Gurus attending. --Emelend 19:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Don't spend too much time on the transparent icons, Venom. I'll upload a better quality version for most of them soon. Chriskang 23:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Time? doesn't take me any time like 5-10 min. I mainly do it to kill some time, but if you've got better quality ones go ahead man. Venom20 User Venom20-icon-0602-sm-black.png 23:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)