Talk:Revival/Archive (pre-BWE)

Revival sounds like a more correct term, let me change that.--AdventurerPotatoe 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Revival/rally

I'm pretty sure the difference between being revived and rallied is that revival only happens once you are completely dead, not just downed. For example when you're downed you can rally yourself by killing (downing? actually killing?) an enemy. They aren't completely clear what they mean by killing an enemy though. Anyways the quote is, "While you are downed, if you manage to kill an enemy, you will rally, returning to life to fight again." Fourth paragraph, fourth sentence of the healing and death page on the gw2 website. --Lou-Saydus 20:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not so certain, it seems to me that another player is required for revival, in any state, but rally is something done by yourself. The only thing that doesn't fit well is IWAY, as it states that it rallies allies.--Corsair@Yarrr 20:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Well in the next paragraph they say that allies can allso rally players via skills. "Some professions will have special skills that will instantly rally a fallen ally. For example, when a warrior uses "I Will Avenge You," and then kills an enemy nearby his fallen allies, his allies will rally." but then they go on to say "...any other player can come to you and interact with you to bring you back to life. We call this "reviving,"..." I'm not completely sure exactly if there is a difference between rallying and reviving a player. They may just be using "revive" as a general term of "fixing", or what have you, another player. --Lou-Saydus 20:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Rally only applies to the downed state. Revival applies to downed AND defeated. Shadow Runner 20:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense, I'm okay with using that definition until we get specific official word otherwise. --Lou-Saydus 20:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Revival may reference the exact mechanic of going up to someone and bringing them back without a skill. While rally can be done by yourself by killing an enemy, or by an ally using a skill whether you are downed or dead.--Corsair@Yarrr 20:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that this distinction is probably the better one, what corsair said Venom20 20:41, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

But if you talk about revival, one must be DEAD to be revived. Once a player "dies" from downed, he must teleport back to a wayshrine. I've not seen "revival" being mentioned anywhere officially, unlike "rally". 89.27.95.7 14:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC) William

Redirects

why are misspelled words redirecting here? Ressurection‎ and Ressurect‎ are not even words? Are we making purposely misspelled pages for people now? Venom20 21:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes, for example Adelbern and Abaddon are often missplet. So we create redirects to the correct page, though I'm not sure people miss spell resurrect that much.--Corsair@Yarrr 21:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

It just seems ridiculous to me. How come we have no skillz page, or heel. What is wrong with a page for warior? or even deth? I can go on an on, but I find it a most silly thing that promotes misspelling and laziness. Venom20 21:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Common misspellings are ok,especially on proper nouns. I think some people do spell resurrect as ressurect/resurect, its not exactly a common word that people spell. Though, Naroji may have gone a bit far in his redirecting. Things like warior, skillz, heel, and deth are not common, but rather just bad spelling. Not to mention, heel is an actual word with context in GW, who knows about GW2?--Corsair@Yarrr 21:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard of heel, warior, or deth. Skillz is slang not a misspelling. -- Konig/talk 21:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Judging by that one Guru thread, poor search is one of the biggest complaints people have about the wiki. More redirects is a way to help alleviate that. Manifold 22:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

so what you are saying is that we need to create misspelled words so that people don't have to learn to spell correctly? Before I go and create hundreds of pages, I just want to confirm that this is in fact, now a common practice for this wiki? Venom20 23:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

It couldn't hurt. It doesn't "promote" misspelling and laziness, it compensates for it in order to be user-friendly. As long as the redirect title doesn't have any possible alternative interpretation and isn't another page title, I say go for it. Unless that was just a threat to deter the idea...? --Kyoshi (Talk) 23:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) As far as I know, we only create redirects for commonly misspellings. The variations of resurrect that I've seen are all common mispelling. And since we have to redirect Resurrect and Resurrection here (for now), then their common misspellings should redirect here; e.g., ressurrect and ressurect. Just as Abbadon and Abbaddon redirect to Abaddon. Though I hate that purpose for redirects, that is how it is done. Truth be told, I'd rather slap the people who misspell words so badly and often - even if not native to english - and force them to learn to spell right. But that's just me. -- Konig/talk 23:41, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear Neil, looks like Konig wants us more or less almost dead >.> But I'm improving on my spelling :P --Naut 23:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, Konig, I'm working on a degree in software engineering, and I feel your pain...but half the point of being on the back end of these things is to make it user-friendly. Of course this shouldn't go too far, but common misspellings are probably acceptable, and even uncommon ones as long as they don't block off pages. It doesn't take much to make redirects, and it can go a long way on the user end, especially since the search function on these wikis is so terrible. --Kyoshi (Talk) 03:27, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Redirecting pages like what I did should only be done for common misspellings. I've seen Resurrect misspelled as Ressurect over thousands of times (Heck, I've even done it back in the day), so, I redirected it. Other than that, Resurrect and Resurrection as a mechanic have apparently been renamed into 'Revival', which is why I redirected those. Any more questions? --Naoroji 07:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

More People, Faster Revival

It appears that more than one player can simultaneously revive someone that is defeated/downed. This video shows an ele that starts to revive someone at 0:24. At 0:28 another ele jumps in to help when the defeated player's health is half-way filled. The person is then revived at 0:30. The speed of the revival effectively doubled when the second person joined. I love this realism, if you have two people applying first aid in rl, its obviously going to get done faster than if only one was. Ptarmigan 18:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

immortality

Get Revived, sacrifice health (as necromancer). What would happen? -- Karasu (talk) 18:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Death penalty - takes longer and longer to be revived. -- Konig/talk 05:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

reward for reviving some one?

Some people have mentioned being reward for reviving other players but I don't recall reading/hearing what the reward is. Karma? Gold? Shouldn't that be included on the page? Ramei Arashi 06:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Experience. Some of the recent videos I saw showed it at about 130 XP for a level 40-something character to revive another. Added to the article? Yes probably. :) -- aspectacle  06:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds exploitable. :) Eive 06:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

If you want to level doing something as dull as reviving people... go nuts. :) -- aspectacle  11:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

There's always someone who will though! ShadowRunner 11:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Depends on how much xp you get for a kill at lvl 40 though, and the time it takes to do a death - revive cycle. I'm guessing it would be much faster just to kill stuff, especially as i guess that the revived player won't get any xp Thering 11:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

My my, someone's desperately searching for the value of Death Levelling in GW2! - Infinite - talk 12:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

A point brought to light

William (the IP I am about to quote) raises an interesting point:

"But if you talk about revival, one must be DEAD to be revived. Once a player "dies" from downed, he must teleport back to a wayshrine. I've not seen "revival" being mentioned anywhere officially, unlike "rally"."

We know players can RALLY other players, but where has it been stated how to actually "revive" dead players? In the demo footage we see people zoning to a waypoint when defeated. The article mixes up Rally and Revival tremendously. Is there revival in the sense of bringing back a defeated/dead player at all?- Infinite - talk 15:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgTFsrNseE, one of the first demo's, in the beginning of the demo you see the charr reviving other people, wich are dead, it has been mentionned in an interview that defeated people are recognized by having an ankh symbol above their heads, so yeah, you can revive players wich are defeated and downed--SierraThat's me 15:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm still going to rewrite the article to reflect the major difference between downed revival and defeated revival. - Infinite - talk 10:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)