Talk:Personal story trophy

Deletion

Might as well just create a category for these yet to be made pages for story items. Besides, one searches for the event, or the item itself. Not the page where it is listed on. Ge4ce-Talk-Contribs 16:35, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Put the intro of this page on the category and it's fine. - Infinite - talk 19:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

The list is useless on this page - category' better for that - but I think this could end up mirroring gw1:Quest item. Doesn't matter to me either way. -- Konig/talk 21:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

A category page is a must. And this page may not be viewed a lot, but it is worth leaving around for the rare chances someone looks it up. It is a part of the game. --Moto Saxon 21:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Eh...not really. It is a general page about a group of items with specific traits. That can also be (and is probably more effective as) a category. Aqua (T|C) 21:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

/agree Venom20 21:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

IMO, this shouldn't be deleted. If anything, it should become a redirect to its category. -- Konig/talk 21:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Konig. - 22:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) A problem, an inconvenience and an observation about the deletion of the page.

Categories are in a different name space to the main space so they do not show up in a standard search from the search bar. I think this is a strong reason to keep this page. The inconvenience is that it is more awkward to link out to a category than to a standard page in the namespace.

And the observation is that you could make this same argument for virtually every page which lists something in this wiki - the skill list pages, the trait list pages, the crafting item lists, resource node lists, npc lists, monster lists - you know - all of the pages which basically end up as a list. In GWW all of these resided in the main space - so they're searchable using the default search and so things could be done with their appearance and layout to make the contents more palatable to the reader. So this is currently a short page and nothing interesting has been done with the listing. So what? I think it is too early to make decisions about what should and shouldn't be kept. Plus such a decision makes for an interesting precedent for the rest of the listing pages which I don't like.

And in reply to Konig's point - If we're keeping the page to redirect to the category why not keep the page with the content and have a category along side it - like for every other page which lists something and also has a category associated with it. -- aspectacle  22:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Most of the other lists contain some form of information. This seems to (at least in it's current incarnation) just be a list of all "personal story" items. Personal story items (if the page doesn't exist) should redirect to their quest pages. I highly doubt that one would ever need a list of them for any reason when the category works just as well (if not better.)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aquadrizzt (talk • contribs).

I think you're clouding the issue by bringing in a different content organisation scenario altogether, Aqua. Another discussion perhaps - I acknowledge there is potential for interesting display if we took something other than gww's/guildwiki's one page for every thing approach.

The main point I want to (re)stress is, I don't think we should be too hasty to move things to the category space. Most of all because the category space is not content space, without leaving a redirect it ends up lost to normal searching. Plus without the game I think we can be too hasty to delete on the basis of too little information. I think everything on Special:ShortPages is at risk if we start deleting pages with next to nothing in them. -- aspectacle  04:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

With the discussion above me, I was a bit too hasty in just stamping this with a deletion tag. And thus setting of a perhaps unneeded discussion. You all agreed for this to stay. My apologies. Ge4ce-Talk-Contribs 04:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Aside from general information about story items (which can be easily put into a small opening paragraph at the start of a category), what else would be a valuable asset to a stand-alone article? I do believe keeping this page solely as a redirect to a category with such an intro will suffice. - Infinite - talk 08:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Depends on whether the items will share relevance with each other, or if there is going to be some kind of massive number of them. --203.46.11.172 02:06, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

@Aspectacle: The list pages are done so that we can see more than just names. Skills, for instance, come with icons, descriptions, energy costs, recharge, casting times and so forth - the only thing a category shows is its name. A list of items will just be the same, perhaps with an inventory icon. The list, at the very least, can go once all the pages are made. ATM, it's just serving to say "hey, we know these exist but everyone's too lazy to make a page for them!" Regarding the point in my previous comment about a redirect - as said initially I don't care whether this page is kept or not, I just believe this should at least be kept as a redirect, mainly for the first point you said: Categories function differently in the search bar, but a redirect would not. That said, there is reason to keep the page, but it's not a necessary thing. With, say, list of necromancer skills, there is reason to keep the page - although in its current form it only shows names, types, and icons (if such are on the wiki), in the future it may show something more akin to gw1:list of necromancer skills. But since the delete tag was removed, I suppose this comment's moot now.

@Infinite: At the moment, there's not much. But we don't know the full scope of things. Sure, we can just move the information back and forth... or we can keep it and wait, twiddling our thumbs (or more useful, filling out what we do know elsewhere - there's a lot of red-links in this wiki of stuff we know something about, we should make the pages even if they're small... which will probably be ~90% of this wiki for a long time). -- Konig/talk 08:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Acknowledged, Konig. I just got into "RAAAaa must comment" mode. I really didn't want to see the page deleted when there wasn't any good reason. -- aspectacle  09:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. Which leads me to the following I never really saw clarified (as of yet); Are the terms "Story item" and "Event item" interchangeable? I would say they're not, given the introduction and the example found on this article. Also due to the splitting of personal story and the DES. Investigation required? (And if yes, perhaps a note on this article?) - Infinite - talk 10:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

They don't seem like interchangeable terms. For the event items, however, I've not really seen any evidence of items which can only be used for a specific event (unlike the items on this page which seem to be in the game just for the story). Event items may be standard creature trophies/collectables appropriated for the task? I don't think we have enough info yet to make any statement about the existence of event items. -- aspectacle  04:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I've seen Crackling Lodestone specifically stating "Event item" but as you said; it may be a regular trophy and "Event item" is only an indication of what you are required to collect for an event that you triggered. I agree, we know too little. - Infinite - talk 08:15, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Recycling

This page was somehow dead, so I hijacked it and changed to display Trophies shown in the Personal Story (it is still not really useful, though).
I still don't have every single piece of information required (didn't create a really "good combinations" of characters to cover each possibility of Personal Story branching, leading to duplicated biography/background choices), plus I haven't really completed every single character's personal story (Zaithan Arc story is really cool, but does not have any really good replay value - and is sometimes too long and time consuming).
I intend to complete the missing information once I gotta get 'em all.
Anyone is free (and welcome) to submit 'em if they already know what is missing (just open "Hero Painel", choose "Personal Story" and check trophies shown on each the top right corner of each chapter of "My Story" then compare to the choices made at character creation shown on first entry "I'm <character name>"). --NIN37 13:56, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Removing some remnants of initial page format (about "items required to progress personal story"), since my current goal is to present the "Trophies found in your Personal Story tabs". Also, items listed for The Great Hunt (Minotaur Horn, Moa Feather, and Skelk Tooth) had no page, no image and no content (and as far as I know, they aren't added to your Inventory). --NIN37 19:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)