Talk:Molten Alliance

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please swap "northern villages of the norn and homesteads of the charr." to the " northern villages of the charr and homesteads of the norn." The preceding unsigned comment was added by 109.205.253.28 (talk • contribs) at 11:51, 31 March 2013 (UTC).

Motivation to join forces[edit]

After finishing the story of Rox, you can interrogate the Molten prisoners. The Dredge blame the Flame Legion for failing, but upon asking why they joined forces anyway, they said 'they needed their fire magic.' Both forces seem to have been 'using' each other rather than helping them. This doesn't help the strength of their alliance of course. But the most fascinating answer was a flame legion prisoner who, when asked about the alliance, says: "Nothing. Go fight your Elder Dragons." You: "They will destroy you too, if they're not stopped." He: "No, we will be here long after the dragons have destroyed Tyria." Not the exact words of the dialogue. I always imagined that the 'bad' factions (bandits, separatists, flame legion, inquest, etc.) did not care about the Elder Dragons. This shaman, however, seems completely ignorant and thinks they can conquer anything, or has a pretty good plan for surviving the apocalypse. Oh, also, the article mentions they take prisoners 'for an unknown reason,' but we now know the prisoners are being used as test subject for the weapons and as slaves to mine. Qiff 08:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

More interesting, I found, was the dredge prisoner's mention of "a fast-talking guy from the city" who came to convince and entice them to join this alliance. --Alad 04:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I completely read over that. Can you think of anyone who that might be? 137.224.252.10 14:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm thinking of evil businessmen who care about nothing except profit. Consortium maybe? How about a fast-talking asura? --Alad (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Could also be Inquest, since the dredge and flame legion would do all the work and the inquest member could steal their ideas... Sjacie User:Sjacie 19:15, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
We now have a likely candidate in the persona of Scarlet Briar, or, it might be more accurate to say, we have someone being presented as a likely candidate. Frankly, I don't see her modus operandi as being either subtle or convincing; she just threatens people with death, and to hell with what anyone wants. SarielV 20 x 20px 14:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Mechanics vs Lore[edit]

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/livingworld/flameandfrost/Molten-Alliance-and-Potions/first#post1957561

One of those rare occasions when ANet clarifies the mechanics: "We ended up making a “molten” species for these enemies, so that they can share loot drops and other behind the scenes stuff." In other words: "they are technically not part of the flame legion or dredge family, and your potions will not help you." Dredge species by lore, flame legion/charr by lore -- different loot tables and other mechanics. Not sure how the wiki currently distinguishes such things. 75.37.21.158 23:20, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

They have their own family, similar to Risen, where they don't keep their original family/race. We don't make a clear distinction between the two yet.--Relyk ~ talk > 05:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Team Up[edit]

Article says: "The reason for the Flame Legion and dredge joining forces is yet to be discovered", but in the Beyond Flame and Frost video we are told that the Flame Legion have magic, but also need mechanical support (The Iron Legion used to work together with them), and the Dredges were mechanical minded, but without magic, so the team up would be most obvious, should it be changed in the article? --Landon144 (talk) 08:39, 9 May 2013 (UTC)