Talk:Giant

And now the question of the year

How the hell am i to get 1000 kills of these? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.69.206.180 (talk).

Get together with your friends & do Nageling a thousand times?

Personally, I wouldn't mind so much, if Veteran Risen Giants were a little easier to deal with solo --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 00:30, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Problem being, Veteran Risen Giants are classed as Risen, not as Giants. Magua 14:23, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I found new giant spot

I never found any since launching, but today in toxal bog (briban wildlands) I found very first hostile foe of these species. There's no word of they section in this wiki, so I think that is a very random spawn.--szerszu 11:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

You mean the sole non-champ non-risen giant? Not so very random, I saw it too. A Giant (NPC) page was just never made. Konig/talk 17:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit: Made said page. Konig/talk 17:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I mean that - non-champ, non-veteran, non-risen. ;) Normal foe, which count to "giant slayer" achivment after I killed him.--szerszu 12:01, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Mission: Broken Golem

First of all, the mission "Broken Golem" is missing from wiki. The location is Brisban Wldlands/Toxal Bog.

• The mission is Help U.N.I.T. find and destroy the Inquest. I notice that the main pages for giant and Help U.N.I.T. find and destroy the Inquest make no mention of the relationship with the giant slayer achievement. It is all on the talk pages, a bit like this....Thorn17 00:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

The mission appears to respawn every 30 min after it started (or 2 giant per hour). The mission took me about 6min (5min 45seconds). From the beginning of the mission to the death of the giant, it took 1min.

If you are doing it alone, you get 1 giant.

If you are doing it with someone else, you get 2 giants.

If you are doing it alone, you need 500 hours(20 days and 50 min) to kill 1000 giants.

If you are doing it alone over 3 servers, you need 167 hours (8 days and 20 min).

Yes4me (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Rewrite tag

The fact that they do not resemble the giants of GW1 is not basis enough for a rewrite. They just went through several redesigns - the grey giants from Nightfall, which seem to be the same species as those in Prophecies if not one closely related enough that they can be called the same thing, have the same grey skin and tribal paint that these do. They lost their tusks and one of their eyes between then and now, but I'm certain that was just a design decision - between GW1 and GW2, trolls gained an eye and tusks, ettins somehow grew an extra head, and even the jotun (who were designed after GW2 was conceived) got a bit of a revamp. Besides, ogres came from Blazeridge, and the hill giants in GW1 were mainly in Kryta and the Shiverpeaks - I think chances are, we never actually got to see any ogres. --Santax (talk · contribs) 22:30, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Those are possible, though with the comment about the GW1 to GW2 appearance, I was more of speaking of gw1:Sand Giants, which are almost always seen with minotaurs (especially in Nightfall, where they're called gw1:Bull Trainer Giant), which look closer to ogres (particularly the male model) in consideration to skin tone, size, and spike placement. (BTW, source on They used to collect tribute and slaves from other tribes in the region?)

But the rewrite tag is mainly about "The giants are an ancient race, presumably dating back to the Age of Giants, although it is clear that their time is now long past." and "A small number of giants, at least, existed as a group in the Desolation sometime between the Exodus of the Gods and 757 AE, making their home at the Gray Oasis of Giyah." and "Orr used to have problems with them, but those were all killed during the Cataclysm." <-- those lines. In order: Questionable accuracy; linking to something mentioned solely in the gw.dat (therefore has questionable canonocity); and we know that a good number of risen are transported to Orr. As such, those three lines, which them and what builds off of it is pure speculative. I was going to put a {{dispute}} tag, but I felt a rewrite tag was more proper.

On your other comments - ettins always had a dual face, they just separated it a bit. And the jotun change is actually relatively minor, especially compared to the giants. Konig 23:20, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

The bull trainer giants could be ogres, I guess, since they're implied to be beastmasters, could conceivably be from the Blazeridge Mountains and somehow ended up quite far south in the Crystal Desert (via Dzalana maybe?), and ANet chose to use those models even when the ones for the grey giants existed.

Orr having problems with the giants is from the BradyGames guide, in the bestiary (it's also kind of obvious, since you see Risen everywhere but Risen giants only in Orr, and if they were around in the Crystal Desert you can imagine them approaching via Scavenger's Causeway). The second one is from Mahk's Son's dialogue, and for the first one, it seems for NPC's in GW2 1080 AE is considered ancient. So, we know hill giants were around as far back as 534 AE, since that's when Lornar repelled an invasion of them, and the purpose of the towers at Beetletun Watchtower Coast, built to defend a threat from across Giant's Basin, was long-forgotten even at the time of GW1. So I think it's safe to call them ancient. I can't find a source for the comment about the Age of Giants at the moment, but even Thruln, who gives a jotun and norn-centric view of history, admits that it was when "all the world's giant races ruled Tyria". If, like you say, giants are related to ogres (I would say giants would have to be even older if anything), who themselves call the norn young, it's a safe bet that the giants were on top back then. --Santax (talk · contribs) 23:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

The BradyGames guide has been stated to be not Anet written, I believe. Never knew of Mahk's Son's dialogue, tbh, so I'll concede that point but still call into question relevance given the differences (for all we know, there's only a naming similarity and just like how gw1:Ogres are not Ogres, gw1:Giants are not Giants). On Lornar mention: gw1:Hill Giants are still rather different from modern giants and it's not like we see giants in the Shiverpeaks. And I'm not sure why you bring up the Watchtower Coast's towers (they're not at Beetletun) up at all, since other than the name of the Giant's Basin (which is called that because it looks like a gargantuan footprint - one far too large to even mean GW2 giants) there's no ties to giants. And finally the Age of Giants: all of Thruln's statements are called into question, as you yourself pointed out. Konig 00:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

The BradyGames was indeed not written by ANet, but I believe it was written with access to lore that is not available to players (like the Factions guide), and there is a long list of ArenaNet staff in the acknowledgements who looked over it to ensure that it was accurate before it was published. On Mahk's son's dialogue, they grey giants (pictured) are indisputably the same as these ones - the similarities are in location and appearance, as well as name. You're assuming that NPC's that look the same, have the same name, and are from broadly the same regions are different, that doesn't make much sense for me. Do you have a source for the naming of Giant's Basin? Not doubting you, just interested.

Yes, we have no idea how well what Thruln says actually matches up with what happened, but the Age of Giants is still a period of history that existed, even if what happened in it is completely different to what Thruln says. So it's not speculative to have a mention on this article. Outside the discussion of this article, I think there must be a grain of truth in what Thruln says - I just don't know what part. Sure, it's going to be misremembered to the point where it's completely mangled, but why include an NPC in-game purely for exposition when everything he says is rubbish? All that would do is serve to confuse people. Maybe it was deliberately erased from history, by the gods or something? --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

2 giants in Strikes

Over the past weeks I continuously got giant kills but I did not know where. No I watched a little closer and have identified two mobs, that count as giants in strike missions:

• The Boss in the Shiverpeaks Pass
• During the Dragonstorm encounter the first time you kill Ryland alone there is an icebrood-giant that counts as giant as well.

I don't know what would be the best way to add them to the page, maybe someone else has a great idea? Stancer (talk) 12:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Raid and strike bosses are notoriously their non-lore races as to prevent people from using Slayer potions. This is only worth a trivia on this page. ~Sime 16:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)