Template talk:Item

You should probably discuss this

Before adding a new standard there are already item infoboxes, etc. - Yandere 19:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

This is a wiki, not parliament. If you don't like it you can ask an admin to delete it. If you don't like the changes you can revert them yourself. --User:Preedee 23:44, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

What is wrong with the current infobox? Why do you want to replace it? - anja 12:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Just flaged it for speedy deletion, if you don't want to discuss this topic. There is already wiki consens about it, so it is clear what to do. - Yandere 13:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this is not for you to decide, you are not an ArenaNet employee and have no inherence whatsoever in determining what can or can't be deleted if the page is NOT violating any rules. I'm escalating this issue to ArenaNet. --Preedee 12:38, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

ArenaNet doesn't run this wiki, we (the community) do, so employee status is completely irrelevant. —Dr Ishmael 12:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

That's not true, this is commercial service offered by ArenaNet based on their product, hosted on ArenaNet's infrastructure, and supported by ArenaNet. Therefore it is owned and ran by the company, not by you, 'we', or whatever you want to call yourself or others. The wiki is an extension of a commercial venture and the sale of a product for which I paid. Neither you nor anybody else has inherence on determining its course unless explicitly authorized by ArenaNet. Could you please show me proof of your claim where it shows: (1) your real identity, (2) the place or places from where you will be conducting business, (3) that you will be operating under the 'Dr ishmael' alias, and (4) that you are explicitly authorized by ArenaNet to operate this service on their behalf. The document must be signed by an ArenaNet legal representative. Until you can show proof of your claim, your claim is completely unsubstantiated. --Preedee 13:00, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

The following email has been sent to community@arena.net:

Hi,

We have an issue on the GW2 wiki where some users are proposing to delete content which doesn't violate any rules.

I created a new item infobox at http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Template:Item which I have been using solely on my edits. Unfortunately one user tagged it for speedy deletion simply because he/she doesn't like it  (see http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Template_talk:Item ). However, this content doesn't violate any rules imposed by ArenaNet and therefore doesn't justify a deletion.

I'm trying to explain to them that they have no inherence on deleting content that doesn't violate any rules, and that if they wish to do so, that they must show proof where ArenaNet explicitly authorizes them to operate the wiki on their behalf and permits them to delete content that doesn't violate any rules.

Could you please give me a hand regarding this matter? I beleive the content is quite useful and benefitial to your customers, and won't like it to be deleted. Please be reminded that the aforementioned content doesn't violate any rules.

Kind regards,
Joseph
User:Preedee on the GW2 wiki

Until we get an official response back I highly recommend that you leave the template alone and don't delete it. This will clarify what priviledges users have on deleting content on this wiki that doesn't violate any rules. --Preedee 13:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

So, on the main page, at the top, there's this message that says, "Welcome to the official GuildWars2 Wiki, the comprehensive reference written and maintained by the players" which seems to me to indicate that the community (and not anet) is in charge of content. --JonTheMon 13:48, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Ha-HAH! Hooo boy, you're a funny one. Come on, let's see what sort of irrational and baseless claims you can come up with next! Seriously, no. The only response you'll get from Anet will be: "We don't administer the wiki." Just like I said previously, and just like Jon said right above me. Anet administers the servers, yes - they provide the wiki as a free community resource as a "value-add" to their game. But they do not administer the wiki itself in any way. —Dr Ishmael 14:04, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

And by the way normal user like me do not have the right do delete pages. I simply can't delete this temple on my own. But I can bring is to attention of the admins of this wiki, which is exactly what the delete template does. I never even attemed to delete anything you wrote, but I thought it was unneccessary and flag it for delete. To bring your own argumantaion to the table, this is pretty standard for any wiki I ever worked on, so seriously what is your problem? O_o - Yandere 14:10, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Guild Wars 2 Wiki:General disclaimer. - Infinite - talk 14:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

The "ArenaNet rules this wiki" thing is (unfortunately) a common misunderstanding - let's not berate users for thinking it, just inform them what's correct. As the sitenotice says, we want more non-wikiers to become wikiers, so we're not expecting them to know how the wiki functions from the off. pling 17:23, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I used this template on 10 or so armor item pages. The reason I did was because it looks almost like in-game item info. However, it seems to not like icons, and the infobox templates have much more functionality. I'll be switching to them, unless this template can be formatted to allow manual icon references. And FYI, the reason I don't like specific infobox templates, such as the armor item template, is because of the quotation format. Armor stats are not a quotation, they are stats. Yet, other item infobox templates, such as Skillpoint challenges, have a quotation in-game, but do not allow for a quotation in the template. lol, it makes my head hurt. MajFauxPas 03:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

And another problem: this template auto-sorts stats, which is not handy. It shouldn't sort them. MajFauxPas 03:34, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I think it's about time this issue was decided one way or the other, hmm? For what it's worth, I like it. It looks very "in-game-y", but the stat sorting needs to be ...sorted. — snograt 10:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

The remnants of this template

First off, I have copied this template into my userspace. It has a lot of potential for user space use (I will make sure of this).
Then, in the aftermath of the above, here's a short list of to-do's for clean removal of this template:

• Format all the articles it is currently used on to their correct formatting, or something close to it (for now, don't sweat the details too much).
• Move the above articles to their correct locations (removing any rune/sigil pre- and suffixes). This may require administrative attention, as most of the correct pages are currently redirects.
• Leave any sensible redirects in place (full in-game item names as they are encountered by default should always be a redirect).
• Potentially move the respective images to their proper locations. If they are of incorrect file types, please consider (but don't feel obligated) re-uploading them in their proper type.

Once all of that is done, I believe we can delete the template from main space, because it currently resides safely in user space. I also feel the above comments are the cause of severe misunderstanding and miscommunication, and should be disregarded in this section and its endeavours. - Infinite - talk 09:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

All uses of this template have (finally) been replaced, and the template is gone. Page/file renames can happen independently (and is a much larger project than these few pages anyway). —Dr Ishmael 20:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)