Talk:Mending

Conclusive proof that guardians are not wammos, tbh. - Infinite - talk 14:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Of course guardians aren't wammos. They're monks who realized the other professions are all incompetent so decided to start killing things themselves while babysitting everyone else. I can't wait for all the frenzy mending jokes.99.1.41.126 18:15, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

If there is a trait that affects this skill it should be named along the lines of Frenzied Echoes just to poke fun at the skill and its history. - Giant Nuker 18:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Lol out of all the names for a healing skill... GodofJur 20:13, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

They pretty much had to bring this one back... ;) --fraught · (talk) 10:52, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

What about adding a sentence about Wammos? Corvus 18:45, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Completely irrelevant to GW2. Wammo is a GW1 term. - Infinite - talk 20:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but this skill is a nice referrence and a joke. Corvus 22:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

If this was GWW, you would be perfectly correct; in GW2 Mending is not by default a joke-skill. To draw those parallels on GW2W may be a nice reminder for the GW1 players that carried over into GW2, but it would not be informal to any other GW2 player in any way. - Infinite - talk 23:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

You have got to be fucking kidding me. Wammo/Mending on a warrior is one of the biggest memes running in the general guild wars community. This is a warrior skill called mending. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.246.157 (talk).

So even though it is obviously a reference to Guild Wars, we aren't adding a note because... It is a reference to Warriors using Mending in Guild Wars; the coloring and design are different from other warrior skills, and it was one of the few monk skills ported into GW2 that wasn't given to the Guardian. If the developers are making a reference to a popular joke in the other game, why isn't the wiki documenting this?Arcdash 17:17, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Because the skill is not a reference to a popular joke. The popular joke was a reference to the gw1 skill. - Infinite - talk 17:19, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, to elaborate; we would have to add these kind of trivial notes to all gw1 joke skills and cross-profession skills, such as Destruction. Not happening. - Infinite - talk 17:24, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Mending Warriors

As above, I think it's pretty obvious that this skill is playing a joke with Warriors using Mending in GW1. Mending used to be a Monk skill, yet it was almost always used by other primary professions, especially Warrior/Monks (even certain people I know, who have only barely played the game back in 2006, remember Mending being used by warriors and recognize it being worthless self-heal).

If this was a skill of Guardian profession, which has inherited most of Monk skills anyway, and Mending lacked any "controversy," no problem. But this is ex Monk skill now given to Warriors - because it was used by Warriors in GW1. It is a relevant part of why this skill is now a Warrior skill, and it is this fact that makes this trivia necessary. Above editors have had something like this in mind, too.

If Hamstring was moved to Elementalist profession, would you not consider that worth of trivia? And it's not like you have anything better to do than debate over trivia sections, right? Right...? Mediggo 10:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

As you wrote: "... this skill is playing a joke with Warriors using Mending in GW1." It is noted on Mending page, it doesn't needed here. 91.82.31.38 10:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Also, by Mediggo's logic, we/someone would have to add a bullet in Trivia for every single meme/joke/all common knowledge within the GW1 community regarding every skill in GW2/on GW2W just because someone wanted a cheap chuckle. Think of it as an inside joke. Empasis on inside. GW2 players who are not necessarily GW1 players won't get it, nor would they likely care (or they would play GW1). Use that opportunity to be a smug elitist and then let it go. Teddy Dan, yo. 10:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

(Looks like you missed the point of "my logic") The real reason Mending -exists- on Warrior and not on Guardian, which received most of Monk skills, is that Warriors used it in GW1. If Warriors never used Mending in GW1, Warriors in GW2 would use something like Endure Pain or Lion's Comfort, Signet of Stamina as their third dedicated healing skill optional. I'm not saying that we need to include trivia for every funny GW1 skill that exists in GW2, like saying that Charge! is bad/inferior or that Glyph of Concentration is bugged. Mediggo 10:21, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Not all warriors used it in GW1. It was simply common. Common enough to make a joke about it. A joke merely referenced to name a skill. If you're not saying we need to include every joke regarding the name of a skill in GW2 in reference to GW1, then why this one? Is it special? Does it not have to follow the same guidelines? It's simply unnecessary and merely serves to disappoint those hoping to see new significant information on these skills when the pages are updated with pointless references. I don't mean to offend, I just find all of this raging over potential trivia (which isn't necessary on this wiki to begin with) to be ridiculous. Teddy Dan, yo. 10:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Of course, I have seen enough "trivia raging" myself in other wikis, but I'm pretty sure this is merely a discussion of matter at hand. I just think that because Mending was used by Warriors in GW1 far more than monks, it made this skill to actually be available to Warriors in GW2. It's not as much about the joke but rather influence said Warriors made in previous game. What if GW2 Rangers had Mending Touch? There's certainly no joke related to that matter. Would that kind of trivia be worth noting? Also, I think that significant, game-related information is found on notes section, rather than trivia, yes? Further, it might also be convenient to add such trivia now, and prevent future "trivia rages" - when GW2 is already released and dozens of GW1 players recognize Mending from GW1. I'm not too familiar with this wiki, but since there are no official policies, and there is no common practice related to adding trivia, can we not let this pass, simply to avoid future issues? If you still disagree, fine, I'll give this up. But doing this now might be beneficial. Mediggo 10:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Did you even read the discussion above this? If not, please do so to understand why it won't be documented here. 91.82.31.38 11:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is almost purely about Mending being a wammo joke in GW1. My point, what I've been explaining through and again, is not just about joking with Mending. It is that the practice of GW1 Warriors has influenced GW2 Warriors. If you can explain to me why stuff that has happened earlier isn't worth mentioning having effect in present, please tell me, and rest of whole world too. That is why we have history. Contributors have been fighting over and over again Mending in GuildWiki and in Guild Wars Wiki, and who knows how many other instances. I assure you, this is not a big matter, but it may prevent a bigger, more troublesome matters from occuring later when game is released. Mediggo 11:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Basically: Whether or not Mending was "influenced" by the gw1 joke is not related to gw2 stand-alone, because we haven't been noting all other influences either. Nor should we aim for that. Besides, noting Mending as a joke skill is prejudice based off a previous game. This is actually quite a good skill here, whereas in gw1 you are only bad for using it. - Infinite - talk 11:22, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Influences...everything is influenced by something. Each article would be cluttered if we put in the influences of an item on each page. Also, if you are aware of the joke, then you don't need a note or trivia; however, if you are not aware of the joke then a note would not enrich your life. Venom20 11:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I simply thought that's exactly what trivia section is for, and if not, then what? Of course I didn't mean anything like Lightning Strike being influenced by lightning or such things. But fair enough. Hopefully there won't be any issue with trivia content regarding this matter in future. Mediggo 11:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

It is not that it would not classify as trivia, it is just that if we include this particular trivia then we would have to put up an x amount of other trivia entries across this wiki for the same reason. For instance, a discussion regarding the "this skill is also in GW" note. - Infinite - talk 12:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Not all skills have been transferred to another profession (if you consider Monk and Guardian akin to each other). Maybe just a couple of skills, and Mending is just one of them. One of very few. When it comes to that community discussion, I don't really have opinion on that matter... It's different from one what I've been trying to make apparent. But sure, I can do the job myself and add trivia to all skills which have been (practically) transferred from one profession to another, if you think it's too much of a work. Mediggo 12:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

The words "too much work" never came into play here at all. - Infinite - talk 12:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) There is no need to document Mending's GW history on this page. I don't see why this is even being considered to be added. Aqua (T|C) 19:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Errr. So it being a skill in Guild Wars is relevant on the Guild Wars 2 wiki.

But the obvious reference to the usage of the skill in Guild Wars is irrelevant to the Guild Wars 2 wiki? :/

I don't give a monkey's that the name was used in Guild Wars. That's boring and has no bearing on anything. This is funny; at least people get a laugh out of it. I say four trivia notes. A F K When Needed 20:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Can we just set trivia aside until all of the actual information about the skills themselves are released? That way, it won't matter so much how cluttered the trivia section is because we'll have a whole page of other (significant) information regarding the skill. Is this really such a big deal? Teddy Dan, yo. 23:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I do understand your point :3

But from a logistics / practical standpoint, it's better to spread work out. When we get the real information, we'll be busy with the real information. A F K When Needed 23:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. Teddy Dan, yo. 23:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

<3 A F K When Needed 08:20, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

It's trivia. Not a note.

If "Ride The Lightning" or whatever being based on some album by some band is trivia-worthy, I think it's worth mentioning that Mending is an obvious a fucking blatant throwback to GW1. Yeah, GW2 players won't care; I couldn't care less about ACDC, so there's a strong precedent, there.

Unless, of course, the entire trivia section across all pages is being handled differently on this wiki? — Raine Valen 4:17, 24 Apr 2011 (UTC)

Then should we note on every necromancer skill/spell in GW2 with a scythe animation that scythes were used by the dervish in GW1? Or that spirit weapons are a reference to the ritualist of GW1? Or perhaps on the Stygian Reaver/Fellblade page that it was one of the most highly sought after axes/swords in GW1? Should we note on every pistol page (when each different pistol/skin is revealed), that pistols were used by Ember Doomforge in Ghosts of Ascalon? The trivia is relevant but simply unneccessary because, unlike ACDC, GW2 itself is a reference/was inspired by GW1 and (in so being) everything in 2 was/will be somehow influenced by something in 1. I'm not saying that I'm completely opposed to adding yet another trivia bullet for this little tidbit, I'm just sitting on the fence waiting for a better argument. Teddy Dan, yo. 05:13, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Of course it's trivia, but it's special trivia. Trivia that does not explore namesake or mechanics of the skill in general, just the profession it is used on. Like an x amount of other skills.

That said, I may have an idea. - Infinite - talk 09:24, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

See that idea over here. - Infinite - talk 09:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

"should we note on every necromancer skill/spell in GW2 with a scythe animation that scythes were used by the dervish in GW1?" No, because it is not even suggested that inspiration was drawn from it (which is the reason for trivia notes).

"Or that spirit weapons are a reference to the ritualist of GW1?" Sure, on the Spirit Weapon page, rather than on each individual one, because it is relevant to the general idea rather than each individual weapon.

"Or perhaps on the Stygian Reaver/Fellblade page that it was one of the most highly sought after axes/swords in GW1?" I didn't know Fellblades were sought after. Anyway, the rarity in another game is irrelevant (just like the sales figures for ACDC's records), and the rest is in a note that says "this weapon shares its name and appearance with a weapon from GW1".

"Should we note on every pistol page (when each different pistol/skin is revealed), that pistols were used by Ember Doomforge in Ghosts of Ascalon?" The inverse of the Spirit Weapon argument: it applies to the specific case (if we know what kind of pistol she used) and not the general. A more comparable...comparison...would be that we don't document skills that may have been implied by a character's actions (we don't document every time someone stole something on the steal page, nor that Logan was making a particular guardian wall/ward with his "blue paint").

You can't really compare namesakes/inspiration with bad organization. --ஸ Kyoshi 04:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

But yet you want every joke carried over from GW1 to be named in the trivia section of each individual skill(/item/location) it reflects? Or is this simply a special case? Assuming this is going to be the only case in GW2 in which something refers to a joke/quirk/point of interest in GW1 is reckless, no offense intended. So, suppose all of the skills for one of the next professions to be revealed are joke references to skills/skill usage in GW1. Do we add the very same trivia for each one? Suppose some locations/weapons/armor/items are referenced in the same way? Will this still be a special case for which adding the trivia on the skill's page is absolutely necessary? Again (though stated on the wrong page), I'm not against the note/trivia but the reason. Before any decisions are made, the logic should be solid. Teddy Dan, yo. 08:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I haven't commented in this section before, so don't go putting words in my mouth. =P

But yes, if they were all noteworthy jokes, then I would feel it reasonable to add them, especially since they're more "notable" notes (by pretty much any standard, since I think simple inspiration is plenty noteworthy) than saying generically that the skill is a reference. The difference between this case and the others you mentioned is that inspiration was drawn; dervishes did not inspire a scythe animation on necromancers any more than Dhuum's concept inspired the Grim Reaper. Mending is "an obvious a fucking blatant throwback" to what was already a joke in GW1.

Also, to assume that every skill of a profession would be a joke from GW1 is reckless in a safe direction, if that makes any sense. There will not be so many jokes as to dull the novelty of it for readers (at least, not any more so than the already predicted 300+ GW1 skill references you've been on the fence about) as long as they are properly explained in the notes. --ஸ Kyoshi 22:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I just want to make sure it's not just one eyesore argument versus another eyesore argument. One being cluttered trivia and the other being a cluttered new page. Teddy Dan, yo. 03:02, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

You guys are all retarded. "Mending Refrain" references echo mending, and it's pretty clear. This references mending warrurs, and, again, it's pretty fucking clear. "Oh but this is GW2!", no, shut up, it's made by the same company, it has the same community laughing at the same jokes, and on Gwiki we referenced Anet's references to major jokes(Echo mending, etc), Warrurs using mending is a major joke. This is clearly Anet's sense of humour. "Mending" doesn't even make sense as a name for a warrur skill.--Gerroh 21:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

"Of course it's trivia, but it's special trivia. Trivia that does not explore namesake or mechanics of the skill in general, just the profession it is used on. Like an x amount of other skills.
That said, I may have an idea. - Infinite - talk 09:24, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
See that idea over here. - Infinite - talk 09:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)"

What it boils down to: We intend to have seperate sections for Guild Wars -> Guild Wars 2 notes and trivia, to keep in-universe references collected. That would mean that Mending would be fully explained in such section, not merely as note/trivia bullet, fully informing non-GW1 players as to why this is now a warrior skill. Happy? - Infinite - talk 22:19, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Warrior or Guardian?

The page says it is a warrior skill but the color is the same than with guardian skills. Lokheit 16:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Most healing skills are generally a shade of blue. - Infinite - talk 17:07, 24 April 2011 (UTC)