Talk:Wade Samuelsson

Source?

What is the source for this? -- Frozzen 00:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Will check GoA. Eive 00:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Page 165. Strangely enough I went to google it, and they've transcribed the entire book. here (Xu Davella 00:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC))

That sounds suspiciously illegal. Eive 00:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

If you scroll through it you'll find that it doesn't have everything, a few pages are missing here and there - and then 192 to 373 aren't included either. So it is still a preview - a large one but still a preview. -- aspectacle  01:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Rank

There's been some confusion around regarding what the exact rank of Wade Samuelsson is, and i've been making kind of a research about it. Now, there's two in this case: Commander and Captain. In military terms, "Commander" is not only a rank in the hierarchy (being placed above and below other two), but also a title denoting the "commanding officer" or "officer in command" of a certain unit (e.g. a legionnaire is the commander of a warband in the very same way an imperator is the commander of a legion). Now, in the personal story mission A Fragile Peace, Samuelsson introduces himself as "Commander of Ascalon", whereas some NPCs (including himself) refer to him as "Captain" of the Ebon Vanguard. If we take a look at the GW wiki article for Captain Langmar we can see that she was also "its Captain", the Captain. Conclusion? Well, it seems to me that Wade Samuelsson is the Duke of Ebonhawke, therefore the Commander of Ascalon (and its armies) and, as the Ebon Vanguard is the only branch left of said army, its commanding officer, its Captain. Note that there are also Commanders and Captains in the Vanguard, namely three NPCs: "Commander Varalyn" (to me, just a rank within its hierarchy), "Ebon Vanguard Captain" and "Ebon Vanguard Captain Tanner" (to me, an "Infantry Captain" rank); there are also "Ebon Vanguard Soldiers" and the like. IMHO, this "Ebon Vanguard Captain" rank is not to be confused with "Captain of the Ebon Vanguard", the rank Langmar once held as its commanding officer. Thoughts? I'm hoping to find a way to put some order into this to include in the article what we do know about his in-game stated ranks and titles (again, in summary: Duke of Ebonhawke, Commander of Ascalon and Captain of the Ebon Vanguard). Something I must clarify about the ranks, when comparing them to those of the other NPCs, is that Samuelsson says he is the Captain, not a Captain. Murethor (talk) 19:08, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Even more confusingly, in many navies, "captain" is a rank and an office. Many warships are captained by commanders (and indeed by other ranks). On very large ships, there may be several rank captains. --Claret (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

"Captain" (or "Skipper") is the way the crew addresses to the ship's commanding officer, regardless of rank. This happens because of naval traditions, so fortunately, it doesn't concern us for this case. Murethor (talk) 22:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I shudder to think how some of the captains that I have known would react to being addressed as "skipper", but you're right, it's not relevant here. --Claret (talk) 23:18, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

"Skipper" is more of an informal way, I believe. Anyway, related to custom/traditions, we could also say that in the Ascalonian military, "The Captain (of the Ebon Vanguard)" is the way soldiers address to the commanding officer of that unit (yeah, pretty much like an office). Murethor (talk) 23:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Royalty overhyped?

I've tried to make a few small edits in relation to his "royal descendance". As far as I know, this short sentance ("he is the only known descentant of the kings of Ascalon") have been based on a casual mention by himself during the story instance A Fragile Peace. What he really says is "My forefathers were kings of Ascalon, and I'll be damned if I let those renegades destroy their last legacy!". This is only mentioned once, without there being put any weight or importance on it afterwards.

If he truly is a descendant of the royal family, it is said in such a casual manner that it leads one to think that there would likely be at least more than one living descendant left. Another possibility is that it is just said by Samuelsson as a mere figure of speech, or even that he's referencing to the whole Ascalonian people here as "rulers/kings of Ascalon" - not necessarily the royal family.Titus 19:26, 15 July 2017 (UTC)