Talk:Toggle Manipulator Alignment (Local/Global) (modify)

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Feedback 2024/08/27[edit]

Since a lot of the information on the place and modify versions is duplicated would this page not be better served with a more concise amalgamation of those two pages? --User Lady Elyssa sig.png Lady Elyssa.2469 16:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

They have different icons, so they should probably stay split. Skill infobox doesn't handle multiple icons, after all. This can just be a disambiguation, I think. Sunlion (talk) 16:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
When I have been in the homestead, the icon for the Toggle Manipulator Alignment remains the same, for both New Decorations and when Modifying Existing Decorations.
For reference it's this one: Toggle Manipulator Alignment (place).png.
The only elements that change on screen is when it toggles between Manipulator Global.png and Manipulator Local.png. Don't know if this is perhaps a bug or if something was changed in one of the recent patches... User Lady Elyssa sig.png Lady Elyssa.2469 16:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
It changes for me? The icon has a yellow effect on Modify and green on Place. It's quite subtle, so I get if you missed it honestly. Sunlion (talk) 02:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
To help demonstrate and to show what I see, so you can more easily compare I put screenshots of the three states for the Manipulator Alignment as I see them here: User:Lady Elyssa/Builds/Sandbox0
I think I might be misunderstanding you, actually? What I mean by 'separate icons' is the skill icons, not those other icons. See User:Sunlion/sandbox4. Sunlion (talk) 09:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Okay, I think we are both on the same page now, as I had misinterpreted the yellow effect as a glow, rather than the icon change. So... How about something like this? User Lady Elyssa sig.png Lady Elyssa.2469 10:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Toggle Manipulator Alignment (place).png

Toggle Manipulator Alignment (Local/Global)

Parent skill
Place New Decorations.png Place New Decorations
 
Weapon slot 5
Game link

Change the alignment of the manipulator to be relative to either the decoration or the map.


— In-game description

Icon Description
Manipulator Global.png The manipulator axes are aligned to global space.
The global axis does not rotate with the object.
Manipulator Local.png The manipulator axes are aligned to local space.
The local axis rotates with the object.

(Reset indent) On each of the two skill pages? If so, the table sounds good. Also, apologies for being so dense here lol, and for sounding maybe a bit condescending. Sunlion (talk) 10:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

The example version above covers the details for both of the current topic pages, so could it not be kept on this page? The discussion is good and this is my first time getting to talk about what content does or doesn't go on a page, so no apologies needed. I don't know if the exiting skill infobox has an existing suitable option to cover the place / modify elements? I presume this is what you were alluding to early on. User Lady Elyssa sig.png Lady Elyssa.2469 10:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, not sure including skill infobox is a good idea. It can't handle multiple icons, so we'd have to pick one to display, plus there isn't any id for a skill that isn't part of Place or Modify. Made a mockup of my idea for the page on User:Sunlion/sandbox4#Example. Sunlion (talk) 10:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I can better understand your point about the infobox now, so thank you. I think your mockup provides some good clarity. Do you think it is also worth adding your Notes section to replace the existing Notes on the Place / Modify pages? User Lady Elyssa sig.png Lady Elyssa.2469 11:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
I'd say it's more your Notes section, since you came up with the table design, but anyway. I think it could be good, yes, though I'm a bit hesitant to introduce a table into a section that doesn't already have one. Adjusted the sandbox a bit to make sure the ingame description wouldn't be lost in the transfer if we go ahead with it. Sunlion (talk) 11:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Good call on adding the ingame description to the table. I like it and am all for the changes shown in your sandbox. Thank you for for collab. User Lady Elyssa sig.png Lady Elyssa.2469 13:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Skill type[edit]

Not sure how to categorize this skill, since it's part of the decorating "bundle". For now it's weapon 5, but maybe we create new bundles for homesteading skills? - Lineste (talk) 08:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)