User talk:Qubicneter/Seqinolism

Those Asura who are Seqinolites believe that ISNT will return as one of them. They point to the reasons why ISNT was human in the first place: humans were the ones in the most need of help during the Spirit's first coming. Furthermore, with their superior intellect, Asurans should be the chosen species.

So, Humans NEEDED help, and that's why he became Human. The Asura would've never given that reason and then have said that it's obvious ISNT will reincarnate as an Asura, for that means they themselves think they need help, which they would never admit because of their ego D: --Naoroji 19:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised anyone actually read this page! On to your point: that's a good point. I think my logic was that humans were so weak before that Asura could fend for themselves; but now that the entirety of Tyria is danger, a spirit would reincarnate as the "highest" form available. I don't know. Out of all of the races, I know the least about the Asura. Do you have any suggestions as to why they would believe that ISNT would reincarnate as one of them? Qubicneter 13:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, like you said, all of Tyria is in need of saving, and the Asura picture themselves as the highest beings. Perhaps they believe that, unlike in the human's case, they aren't in need of saving, but rather the medium that will be used to save the world. By reincarnating as one of them, they may think that ISNT is choosing the highest form available, and doing so in order to save the other races; the ones who are in need of saving (since clearly Asura don't need help with anything lol). --98.19.154.170 14:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

So,... Said in a more Asura way; the Asura believe ISNT will reincarnate as one of them because only then will he be able to rescue the other races. The other races are just too dumb. :) --Naoroji 15:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Ahaha, well thanks to both of you. I'll update the article to reflect the asuran's ego. xD Qubicneter 16:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

"Prophecy"

"...Look to my coming when plants wield swords; Charr align themselves with the Long-Ears; when Men and Norn consider each other friends; and when Tyria is fragmented by Dragons' breath"

isn't this a little too obvious? ^^ I mean, in many religions, prophecies are typically vague enough to have at least a few different interpretations. Whether it be symbolism vs literal wording, or poetry vs documentation, there should always be different sorts of interpretations, and I personally felt this was too specific to be interpreted any other way. If you were to word it more poetically or have it be more vague, then it may seem more plausible. Such as instead of "when plants wield swords" it could be "When humanity and the flora of the forests converse freely", or some other thing that could reference the sudden contact with the Sylvari, but also have other possibilities such as the druids, or close followers of Melandru. This then allows for multiple factions, each one following what they think is the "right path". Some factions could even believe that the prophecy has come and gone, and that he has already come and gone.

For "Charr align themselves with the Long-Ears", it seems too obvious a description, seeing as how the Asura are the only long-eared civilization that allied with the Charr. Why not focus on a different aspect, such as "When the strong ally with the wise", or something such as that. Again, it would be vague enough that some Asura could claim themselves the "wise ones" that are mentioned, while some vain humans may consider themselves the wisest, and therefore the ones mentioned in the prophecy. :) Things like these allow for more variety, and more mystery as well.

Also, instead of actually mentioning the dragons, why not just use "tongues of fire" or something of the sort? A dragon's breath would make it too obvious that now is the time, whereas something a little more vague or poetic may still lead the clever to this conclusion without making it overly obvious. :)

But nonetheless I love the stories, and I love the idea. ^^ Very creative indeed. --Amannelle 17:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I certainly did not expect this article to receive this much attention :P As to the obviousness of the prophecy...ISNT gave this prophecy in 1090AE, 10 years before the fall of Ascalon and far enough from the time when the prophecy would come to pass that there were many interpretations as to how to fulfill each aspect of the prophecy. Interpretations from 1099 AE can be seen here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Qubicneter/Seqinolism. I agree that the prophecy is not all that vague like a traditional religious prophecy, but in the Guild Wars world, prophecies aren't that hard to interpret: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Flameseeker_Prophecy. While the Flameseeker prophecies were never explicitly told to us, the quote from Meerak indicates that basic information about the Prince (Rurik), the Unseen Enemy (Mursaat), and the Treacherous Man (Vizier Khilbron himself) was known through preliminary reading of the prophecy. I could, of course, make mine a little more vague in terms of the charr, asura and sylvari parts; but the ""fragmented by Dragons' breath."" makes it obvious to a Seqinolite when the prophecy will be fulfilled because of the obvious rampaging dragons without revealing the truth before the dragons wake up.

I changed it to "...Look to my coming when plants transcend thought; the superior brutes and the superior minds see one another as equals; when Man, Bear, Wolf, Snow Leopard and Raven assemble together; and when Tyria is fragmented by Dragons' breath."

And by the way, I'm very glad of everyone's input...I've been trying to find things to fix throughout the wiki, but I can't seem to find much that needs fixing, so I find myself making things like this page xD Qubicneter 18:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

That's why we're making suggestions for your page too, all the rest is already done! It's so frustrating! xD --Naoroji 19:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Omg nice! It sounds really good now. :O I especially love the "Plants transcend thought" part! Very subtle, but also very powerful. ^_^ And, like Naoroji said.... we are poor, bored "categorizers" with nothing to do, so we cling to such magnificent entertainment as this! :D --Amannelle 22:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)