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"Removed |name part from infobox"

That's actually needed, because the title in the infobox should be the name of the item, and the items don't have (Master)/(Rare) suffixes. Only the recipe does. —Dr Ishmael 15:06, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

This multiple-items-under-the-same-page issue was the very reason why I never finished correction Gold and Silver-level jewelry. I was in the process of splitting them items all out right now, creating pages where needed. Check my edit history for the past two hours. Example: Amethyst Gold Amulet, Amethyst Gold Amulet (Master), Amethyst Gold Amulet (Rare). If an master item or rare item has its own page with (Master) or (Rare) suffixed in the page name, like do I still need to add the |name part? Disconnect 15:14, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, because that sets the title that is displayed on the infobox, and like I said, that title needs to match the in-game item name. What you're doing is great, I just wanted to alert you to this before you got too far along. —Dr Ishmael 15:16, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the alert. I'll add them while I'm at it. Disconnect 15:20, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Suffices on item names

Doh, one more thing - it's not necessary if the page name doesn't have a suffix, like Amethyst Gold Amulet. It's only necessary when the page name doesn't match the item name (which is usually caused by disambiguation suffixes). I'll fix those for you. —Dr Ishmael 15:43, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

That's the whole shitty part about these particular items: their names in the craft menu are different from the actual items you create. It's the actual names for the actual crafted items that have these pesky shared names. Right now I'm adding them by the names as they appear in the craft menu, and put the actual crafted items' names under the |name = part. If that's okay with you. Disconnect 15:55, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Yep, that works well to disambiguate these. Although the proper form within the wiki's style should probably be (master) and (rare), I'm not going to worry about that since you're matching the in-game recipe name. I really wish Anet had set these up so that the recipe and item had the same name, but alas, they've shown themselves to be horribly inconsistent with names in this game. —Dr Ishmael 15:57, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Suffices on item names #2

Oh great, I thought of one more thing - the item's actual suffix, e.g. "of Heartiness." This has been debated before, but I don't think a consensus was ever reached. The suffix can change because you can replace the default upgrade component after crafting the item. For that reason, some people have said that we shouldn't document that suffix, which I agree we should follow at least for article names, and you're following that too. But for the infobox... I dunno. Since the infobox does list the default upgrade component, I suppose it makes sense to include the suffix on the infobox title. What do you think? —Dr Ishmael 16:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

My two cents is that we make the main article without suffix and redirect the article with suffix to the one without. Most people will want to replace the sucky suffix anyways. We could then add two parameters for the suffix in the infobox. One parameter would be for the default suffix name, and one parameter that tells you if that default mod can be replaced or not.
Like | Suffix = of Heartiness and | Moddable = yes Disconnect 16:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I suppose that could work too, although I don't know of anything that isn't moddable. Ah well, as long as you make it all consistent for now, that'll make it easier to make any modifications in the future. —Dr Ishmael 18:46, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation Accessory/Trinket infobox

On my work to do Silver Setting I noticed that there's one inconsistency for which I need some guidance. It's about Template Accessory infobox versus Template Trinket infobox. From what I gather, given the redirect on the former template, the former was abandoned in favor of the latter. Yet, when I look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Accessory infobox there are a whole lot of items still using Accessory infobox. Should those be changed (which I assume can be done by instructing a bot or done manually) or not? And am I correct to assume that from now on, we have to use Trinket infox for everything? Disconnect 22:32, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

If you're editing the page anyway, change it to Trinket (modern name), otherwise don't go to any trouble. :) be lazy. -Chieftain Alex 22:50, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

^ Laziness is why most everything still uses the old name. —Dr Ishmael 01:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

bottttttttttttttttttt--Relyk ~ talk > 01:45, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Dr Ishmael here. I too helped spread an outdated syntax because I copied code from another article. Like many others do/did, especially those that don't care beyond gettin' an article to display/work right. The more instances of outdated syntax remain out there, the more likely it is that it gets copied into new or revised articles. Now, unless you guys tell me you got an automated way to get it fixed, I'll start pullin some of that weed .......... Btw, now I wonder what got me all this attention all of a sudden. Was it because I used several keywords that might be flagged, like 'inconsistency', 'instruct','bot' and/or 'guidance'? Or are you spying on one another and I happen to be collateral? Disconnect 23:05, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Anyone editing multiple articles at once is likely to have at least one of their edits checked, especially if they're contributing masses of information :D -Chieftain Alex 17:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Craft Recipes combined with the use of name = PAGENAME

On many pages, the {{Recipe has a |Name = PAGENAME property and it's preventing {{Recipe/requires from picking up the item properly. Disconnect 16:46, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Do me a favor and link us to one of the broken pages? (recipe/requires + template:recipe both need rewriting) -Chieftain Alex 17:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Check User:Disconnect/Gold Filigree for example. The Tier 3 Embellished Jewels on this page have this issue. I fixed the Amethyst one (see its history) as to see where the problem was and Candy Corn Gold Amulet was never broken to being with, but the others are. On each broken items it shows the PAGENAME instead in the first column. But then the PAGENAME for the current page, not the page the information was retrieved from. Disconnect 17:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Seperate problem perhaps related, prolly a minor one: I never intentionally referenced to Candy Corn Gold Amulet at all on said test page either. IT just shows up. After some previews it turns out it just comes when I add Embellished Gilded Sunstone Jewel to the list. Disconnect 17:25, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

The Candy Corn Gold Amulet issue was related to someone having used the Recipe template multiple times on the same page.. it should only be used for items created from the pagename. I find the usage of these recipe templates to be inconsistant.

You're right that the PAGENAME issue is widespread + problematic.. its a tough one to check too :/ (perhaps we could set the dpl to apply a stringfunction along the lines of {{#replace: <name> | PAGENAME | {dummy param|%PAGE%} }} . Luckily it seems to mostly be one user so I could go through their contribs fixing stuff. -Chieftain Alex 18:10, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I tried making some dpl queries, using include will grab the PAGENAME magic word and as the dpl will parse it based on the current page name as using the template parameters pre-parses the magic word. I tried making statements using the include so you can check if the result is equal to the page your testing the dpl on, but I get web server errors.--Relyk ~ talk > 19:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Erf, it looks like I've applied some hamfisted replacements for those, well done for spotting the incorrect ones. Also I made a botch of changing the ___of winter items, but they seem to be done now. -Chieftain Alex 13:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

You can call us even then on the corrections. You corrected my errors where I used Copper Ring as crafting material, instead of Copper Band. And a few Pearl Jewels. I did notice them myself but I wanted to finish the list first. That's why I do make a preview list anyways. As for the suffices ordeal, the of winter, I followed the course that I had set out earlier on gold and silver level equivalents. Disconnect 14:04, 3 March 2013 (UTC)