User:Dr ishmael/IRC wikichat 20120613c

This is the log for the scheduled wikichat that occurred on June 13, 2012, at 3 PM PDT. All participants were notified of the logging and that the log would be posted here under the GFDL.

Unlike the structured format of the first two chats, this one was a free-form AMAWR (ask-me-anything-wiki-related) chat.

00:02:53: <Riddle> first 1/2 hour AMAWR for GWW; second 1/2 hour for Gw2w?
00:02:55: <Shew> i prefer the AMAGR
00:02:58: <stephane> this the live the AMAWR (Ask Me Anything Wiki-Related)
00:03:12: <stephane> Riddle: no, just one big family
00:03:13: <stephane> also
00:03:15: <stephane> for the record
00:03:20: <Riddle> Cool.
00:03:21: <stephane> about the question of the Feedback space
00:03:49: <stephane> I had a quick chat after the last WikiChat session and the problem may not be that easy (to remove Feedback space from wikis)
00:04:02: <stephane> it's a topic that I'll have to follow-up on with the wiki community
00:04:14: <FASC|JonTheMon> I don't think we'd remove the existing feedback space, but just don't spread it to gW2W
00:04:16: <stephane> back to AMAWR
00:04:40: <stephane> I need to gather more information from various people here before talking about this topic
00:04:50: <stephane> I do get clearly the feeling of the wiki community
00:05:11: <stephane> so anyone wants to ask questions, make comments, share jokes
00:05:30: <aspectacle> ArenaNet participation on the wiki. After release do you think you'll be able to help us out with resources - such as armor images and stuff - like was done on gww?
00:05:39: <stephane> if you just woke up and are new to this WikiChat, please let me know ^^
00:06:09: <stephane> it's possible aspectable, I don't know becasue that's not something that I can plan ahead
00:06:14: <stephane> I don't want to give you false hopes
00:06:21: <stephane> please ask me closer to release
00:06:34: <aspectacle> sure. will do. :)
00:06:52: <stephane> and I'm sure that specific details about what elements you'd like would help
00:07:19: <Riddle> Renders for armor, etc.
00:07:29: <Riddle> GWW has a nice gallery of armor renders.
00:07:45: <stephane> yes I remember that
00:08:34: <Shew> What's your opinion on a video extension for skill animations rather than using gifs?
00:09:03: <stephane> I find this idea interesting as I had on my "very long list of things to look at" an item about video integration on the wikis
00:09:25: <stephane> it's however a feature that needs careful consideration due to the server resources needed
00:09:39: <stephane> has there been a discussion on the wiki about that?
00:10:06: <stephane> oh btw I think that suggestions to make our wiki cooler are always welcome
00:10:17: <Shew> I haven't seen one so far, but I may have missed it. There's an extension (I think it's just called "Video") that allows displaying YT videos, so that might save resources. I don't know for sure, though.
00:10:28: <stephane> even if in the short term it may not be implemented, it's definitely something that people should keep thinking about
00:11:11: <FASC|JonTheMon> I think some people have made the suggestions, but they've either been shot down or didn't go anywhere
00:11:14: <dr_ishmael> the Widgets extension (part of Semantic Bundle) will allow Youtube embedding
00:11:17: <stephane> there are probably also issues about the format of these videos, things like that will have to be discussed I imagine
00:11:39: <Shew> now that is nice
00:11:50: <Shew> Semantic's got everything, lol.
00:11:55: <stephane> tbh these kinds of features are of lower priority
00:12:01: <stephane> Semantic Bundle = SMW ?
00:12:46: <dr_ishmael> Semantic Bundle is a collection of extensions - includes SMW itself, a number of Semantic extensions, and a few other useful extensions
00:13:10: <dr_ishmael> it's what i linked on the Request for Technical Administration/SMW page for installing SMW
00:13:21: <stephane> I'm interested, given the early positive feedback I4ve seen about SMW
00:13:33: <stephane> oh ok I thought it was only the SMW bit
00:14:04: <dr_ishmael> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_Bundle for you to read later ;)
00:14:20: <stephane> thanks Ishmael
00:15:25: <stephane> just noticed that there's a request for tech admin on GWW for InterWiki
00:16:00: <stephane> *runs to the wiki admin room*
00:17:58: <Riddle> Do you guys have any plans for a guild namespace? (I've been out of the loop for awhile, so this is also to the community)
00:18:29: <FASC|JonTheMon> so, what are the fears/concerns you have about the future of the wiki? too many new users that end up causing rifts in the wiki? becoming obsolete/irrelevant? integration in-game goes badly?
00:19:01: <stephane> Riddle: I have no idea
00:19:24: <stephane> Jon: I'll give you a straight and honest answer, I have none :P
00:19:46: <Shew> perhaps with the new direction of listing fansites, a similar mechanism could be used for guilds?
00:19:53: <stephane> I mean, we've launched the French and German ones, we're slowly progressing into putting the right processes in place as this WikiChat hopefully shows
00:20:06: <stephane> Shew: that's a very interesting idea
00:20:18: <stephane> but I wouldn't start discussing this yet
00:20:19: <aspectacle> Riddle, the Guild name space was still under discussion. There was some support for it being like the user space generally unpoliced by people not the guild.
00:20:45: <stephane> my gut feeling is that guilds may clutter the wiki a bit?
00:20:55: <Shew> aye
00:21:03: <stephane> I'm not sure how it worked (or didn't) on GWW
00:21:33: <stephane> my gut feeling is also that this is not a discussion we need to have right now in terms of priorities
00:21:37: <FASC|JonTheMon> Guilds had their own namespace where they were all to be collected.
00:22:06: <stephane> I know Jon, I meant "how it works in practice"
00:22:16: <Tanetris> "Badly"
00:22:18: <stephane> meaning whether people used that in practice
00:22:29: <stephane> no point offering a feature that's not used
00:22:32: <FASC|JonTheMon> It survived while Wyn was in charge
00:22:40: <stephane> I see
00:22:47: <FASC|JonTheMon> And she kinda burned herself out on it
00:25:50: <stephane> that doesn't sound good
00:26:05: <FASC|JonTheMon> It was a lot of maintenance
00:26:05: <stephane> to go back to your question Jon: do you or anyone else here have fears for the future of the wikis?
00:26:20: <FASC|JonTheMon> Not really. but i'm not in the game business. I suppose the things that concern me are things like GW2DB that sorta undermine the wiki.
00:26:49: <stephane> I'm not overly concerned about other sites as I think we have someting that no one really has
00:26:51: <FASC|JonTheMon> but, since we're a wiki, we'll provide the information in better ways, so it's a smaller concern
00:26:51: <stephane> a great, vibrant and active community
00:27:03: <stephane> yup plus I'm working hard to make our wiki better and I sincerely hope that at some point we'll get a lot better for you guys on a couple of points
00:27:03: <stephane> wikiS
00:27:36: <aspectacle> How do you think the chats worked out? do you think you'll have more?
00:28:06: <stephane> Good and yes ^^
00:28:09: <stephane> but part of the answer to these 2 questions comes directly from you
00:28:32: <stephane> you aspectable, or you other wiki editors here, or you wiki editors reading the logs :P
00:28:38: <stephane> -b+c
00:29:02: <aspectacle> They seem okay - though I thought you might be getting more questions. :P
00:29:13: <stephane> as I said in the discussion on my news, if this is not the kind of discussion fitting to the wiki community, we'll try something else
00:29:23: <stephane> I'm also wondering whether the IRC barrier stopped a lot of people from coming here
00:29:40: <stephane> I may have actually another platform to try for this kind of chat
00:30:00: <Shew> Maybe Semantic has a chat room extension. :p
00:30:06: <stephane> :D
00:30:14: <Rudhraighe> vent ;)
00:30:20: <stephane> also since we're not discussing any topic
00:30:20: <dr_ishmael> XD i think that's one point where it may be lacking...
00:30:25: <zeeZ> Some might not have seen it, some may have found the topics not interesting, or a need to discuss it
00:30:40: <stephane> I wanted to say that this kind of wiki event is a great way for me to get in touch with the community at large
00:30:40: <dr_ishmael> i don't think we ever got it in the sitenotice, did we?
00:30:56: <stephane> bear in mind it's the first attempt
00:31:14: <zeeZ> if you want it large, reddit it :P
00:31:52: <stephane> he he 
00:31:52: <stephane> one day we'll be #1 on the reddit /wiki page ;P
00:32:24: <dr_ishmael> i think this worked well in terms of sharing information with the community about how things are working on the Anet side of things
00:32:58: <aspectacle> Though I wonder whether we really needed to split gww/gw2w.
00:33:23: <Rudhraighe> everybody wants the wiki to have all the answers but getting players to post the stats on thier favorite weapon is like pulling teeth
00:33:29: <stephane> I think the split is a fair point that mainly caused more copy/paste work on my side, which is perfectly fine
00:33:47: <stephane> very true Rudhraighe, plus everyone has its favorite tooth
00:34:27: <stephane> about GWW vs/and GW2W, there hasn't really been an attempt to bring these "sub-families" together
00:34:44: <stephane> but with now no kids in the family, it seems to me important to at least try
00:34:52: <stephane> "now more kids"
00:35:18: <stephane> plus other wikis may have ideas that benefit everyone
00:36:05: <FASC|JonTheMon> well, part of the thing is that gww (and guildwiki) have cause some very... strong feelings about themselves/other communities, and in light of that, we're tryign to make a slightly cleaner slate with GW2W
00:36:33: <stephane> the past is in the past and there's no need to keep it bugging us today
00:37:08: <stephane> I very much everyone to feel like we're all a big wiki family
00:37:20: <stephane> it's like being French and German ^^
00:37:40: <Rudhraighe> i resemble that remark working from guildwiki -> GWW ->GW2W lots of damage early on to heal from
00:38:25: <FASC|JonTheMon> anyhow, while it's good to look forward to a unified community, you have to be aware of the rifts in the past to not repeat them
00:39:04: <stephane> I'm sorry about that Rudhraighe and I hope that me being a new Wiki Liaison will help you consider bury the past
00:39:25: <aspectacle> Jon, I guess this time we don't need to worry about ArenaNet starting an official wiki...which has to be a good start
00:39:26: <stephane> Jon: I'm very much aware of that but that doesn't mean that I won't challenge this ;)
00:39:27: <dr_ishmael> thankfully, the main rift that happened before (GuildWiki -> GWW) has been completely avoided this time
00:39:43: <Rudhraighe> oh i'm fine now the official is announced before release far enough to fix a lot of issues
00:39:54: <Riddle> Yeah, there isn't really much of a gwiki 2
00:40:06: <FASC|JonTheMon> oh, yes, we're off to a way better start
00:40:14: <dr_ishmael> i've done my best to quash any attempts at starting a Gwiki 2
00:40:17: <stephane> I perfectly understand where some of you come from but not only am I new (to ArenaNet and this job) but I want to build the future
00:40:33: <dr_ishmael> the future's looking good from where i'm sitting
00:40:41: <stephane> happy to hear that
00:40:54: <Riddle> I'm sitting with dr_ishi over here.
00:40:59: <Shew> i think (/hope) we have a very strong community at the moment.
00:41:19: <stephane> believe me, there are wii ghosts from the past that will keep coming back and you can be sure that I'll butternut-squash like charrs kill ghosts of Ascalon
00:41:28: <stephane> I think so Shew
00:41:37: <stephane> from where I sit, our wikis are amazing
00:41:42: <Rudhraighe> 2 way commnication from other language wiki's on contributions will help too
00:41:46: <stephane> but we're not going to stop there ;)
00:42:04: <stephane> yup Rudhraighe, that will come, give the other new wikis some time
00:42:09: <Rudhraighe> spuash
00:42:54: <stephane> he he
00:44:04: <stephane> ok I'll give you another 5 minutes and will then officially delcare the first WikiChat over
00:44:10: <Rudhraighe> i do like the increased use of GW2W useage in FB and Twitter posts
00:44:57: <aspectacle> perhaps we can use guild chat rather than irc when the game goes live? Will there be chat logging? :)
00:44:58: <MithranArkanere> I'll go fetch the confetti.
00:45:27: <MithranArkanere> Yeah. I liked when they started adding wiki links to news in the official site, like update notes and festival annoucements. 
00:45:53: <stephane> actually I'm not in favor of in-game chat because of world restrictions
00:45:59: <dr_ishmael> exposure like that will definitely help the wiki
00:46:08: <dr_ishmael> *wikis
00:46:24: <stephane> yes hopefully we'll continue exposing the wikis even more to the community
00:46:28: <MithranArkanere> Yes. IRC allows way more people, depending on server.
00:46:30: <Rudhraighe> is'nt there guesting for servers?
00:46:41: <MithranArkanere> And thanks to web chats isn't hard to enter.
00:46:46: <stephane> I don't think meeting in-game for a wiki is the best way to go :)
00:46:57: <purple_llama> guild chat would make it harder for new people to drop in
00:47:19: <stephane> probably yes (but not sure that IRC is any better)
00:47:42: <Shew> just found this, slightly off the current topic, but ! http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat
00:47:43: <Rudhraighe> what no big building we can appropriate or say an aboretium?
00:48:32: <stephane> there's a MW extension for everything
00:48:45: <MithranArkanere> That doesn't sound bad, but if you are suggesting adding it to any of the GW wikis, it might give unnecessary extra strain to them. Better keep CPU cycles for searches.
00:49:20: <Auron> familiar faces :p
00:49:24: <stephane> weel I was going to say goodbye then Auron showed up ;)
00:49:28: <Riddle> Yep.
00:49:37: <stephane> *runs away*
00:49:40: <Auron> are all the chats over?
00:49:49: <MithranArkanere> I usually do not remember names. But there's a few I remember from the wiki. Auron is one of them.
00:49:51: <stephane> yes they are
00:49:51: <Riddle> You are in the last 5 mins of the last one.
00:49:56: <Tanetris> Technically we've got 10 minutes left
00:49:57: <Riddle> Well, I guess not.
00:50:05: <stephane> this chat was weird anyway
00:50:12: <stephane> so if you have questions Auron, just shoot
00:50:32: <Auron> chocolate or vanilla
00:50:52: <Auron> dunno what the topic is, so I'll just watch :p
00:51:01: <stephane> definitely chocolate-covered strawberry
00:51:07: <stephane> there's no real topic
00:51:08: <dr_ishmael> anything wiki
00:51:14: <purple_llama> mediawiki extension in which to play gw2
00:51:30: <Auron> this might have been asked... will gw2 feature wiki linking like gw1 did
00:51:33: <MithranArkanere> I've seen GW1 in a quite old smarphone running smoothly.
00:51:45: <stephane> yeah it's been covered, you'll see it in the logs
00:51:46: <MithranArkanere> Looks like you can put anything inside anything nowadays.
00:51:48: <Shew> thus, people *must* go to the wiki to play it. good exposure for sure.
00:51:58: <stephane> I'll post a news on my wikipage tommorow to link to logs
00:52:05: <Auron> I also assume that there was a discussion on guild pages then as well
00:52:17: <stephane> a quick one
00:52:18: <Riddle> Yeah, this discussion oddly enough
00:52:22: <zeeZ> there was a discussion about having a discussion
00:52:30: <Auron> since gw1 linked guilds to their pages, and if we don't support them as namespace... that might get weird
00:52:42: <Rudhraighe> guilds is a headache
00:52:59: <MithranArkanere> I'd rather have some kind of automated listing made from in-game data, to be honest.
00:53:00: <Auron> it is, but we need to make sure anet isn't going to link people to their guild's pages if we aren't having them :p
00:53:12: <MithranArkanere> Something like web profiles you can see with characters in some games.
00:53:37: <Shew> instead, Facebook guild pages. revolutionary. (jk)
00:53:47: <Rudhraighe> list guilds by total earned points?
00:53:54: <stephane> what I said about guild pages is that I think it's a discussion for later
00:54:22: <Auron> alright
00:56:16: <Rudhraighe> that's funny i belong to 2 FB guilds already ;) 
00:56:37: <stephane> ok everyone
00:56:44: <stephane> I'm going to take off
00:56:52: <stephane> I'll see you soon on IRC or the wikis ^^
00:56:57: <aspectacle> Thanks for the chat stephane, have a good evening.
00:56:58: <stephane> thanks a lot for coming today
00:57:09: <Shew> thanks again for hosting the discussion.
00:57:09: <stephane> it was really good to talk with everyone today
00:57:13: <Riddle> Thanks for doing this, stephane.
00:57:15: <dr_ishmael> thanks again!
00:57:24: <Shew> discussions*
00:57:26: <MithranArkanere> Anytime.
00:57:27: <stephane> you all have a nice morning, afternoon or evening ^^
00:57:46: <MithranArkanere> Tsk. The wave command does not work in IRC.
00:57:48: Riddle waves
00:57:48: Auron waves
00:57:50: dr_ishmael waves
00:57:57: <stephane> and on behalf of the whole studio (this is for the log and all the wiki community), a big thank you for making a fantastic wiki
00:58:01: stephane bows