User talk:Warzog/Archive 1

About your dislike of the new skill system, why do you think a mandatory elite is such a bad idea? I don't really know anyone who makes a build in GW1 without an elite, and every build that is considered "meta" uses an elite in it anyways. Eive Windgrace 01:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

• My concern regarding the mandatory elite is that, (and I quote):

Elite skills are designed to be infrequently-used, ultra-powerful skills that have a dramatic impact on the game.
As far as I am concerned, a skill designed to be infrequently-used, is all but useless. Of the 11 characters I have in GW1, not one has a skill designed to be infrequently-used. As a matter of fact, most of my elite skills are the primarily used skills of my characters. IE: Barrage, Signet of Spirits, Glimmer of Light, Triple Chop, Signet of Illusions, Avatar of Balthazar, Reaper's Sweep, etc.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, most builds in Guild Wars are known by the elite skill they are built around. In GW2, an elite skill is unimportant, at least, when compared to your weapon's skills, or the elites in GW1. THAT makes them useless, to me.
There are dozens of elite skills in GW1 that have been nerfed to the point that they are, designed to be infrequently-used, ultra-powerful skills. Except for specialty builds, how many of those skills get much, if any use? Would anyone enjoy being forced to select one from a handful of those skills?
IMHO, that's what GW2 is planning. I'm sorry, but, I'd rather have the slot freed up for a skill I can & will use.--Warzog Watch your six! 19:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Why'd you remove that? Did you decide that you were going to get GW2? Personally, if I had any doubt before, the Ranger reveal removed them. Eive 00:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, in response to your opinion on elite skills, i believe they are doing it right, and elite skills will be a sort of, if you ever played NFL street, a Gamebreaker, that turns the tides in your favor for a while. If they execute the idea correctly, it's a fun and effective way to play. Vald [Citation Needed] 00:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I think they're trying to reduce the dependency on elite skills, and force us to rely on the other 9 skill slots. GW1's redundant elite skills was one of it's biggest failings, with exmaples like SF, Splinter/Barrage, UA, and ER builds. Eive 00:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, the ranger reveal changed my mind about getting GW2. The skills work well with the ranger as a whole, and there are several improvements that should make playing the ranger more fun.
• As to the elite, I'm worried that by shifting emphasis from the Elite skill to the weapon, two things will happen:

1. The weapon's with the best skills will become very rare, and very expensive.
2. The Elite skill will be used so infrequently, one may forget that it's there, what it does, or when is the best time to use it.
   1. My guess is that they will cost a lot to use, take a long time to activate, last for a very short time, and take forever to recycle.
   2. All of which, makes a mandatory Elite all but useless, as far as I'm concerned.

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Your are not aloud to blank them by some rules, sowwy :(, you are however aloud to move all of it to a dif. page, of which ive done for you in the link above, you can just cut+paste this comment into that page when you've read it,Happy editing ^_^ --Neil • 00:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on the wiki, sorry about that. As I had changed my user page from opinions of gw2 to a personal quick reference guide, I didn't feel these disussions held any relevance, and no longer needed to be kept.--Warzog Watch your six! 23:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Erm

In your talk page maintenance, be sure not to remove other users' comments, as it is seen as rude. Once comments have been on your page for a length of time, you can move them to your archive - but keep a link to that archive from this talk page at all times. Happy editing! -Auron 16:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I am completely confused... A comment is made stating that I have made inappropriate comments, so I remove them, along with the comment mentioning it, and you want me to keep the comment, which will get visitors to want to view the history to see the aforementioned inappropriate comment. So, why mention it's inappropriate if I have to keep the comment saying so?
Not-to-mention-the-fact that I get harangued for making repeated minor edits, or for uploading multiple images (instead of naming new images with old images' names,) because it takes up to much storage space, but you keep a running history of the pages, and want deleted content placed in archives.
Speculation is probably the best example... Any speculation gets removed from discussions, but gets archived because... What? To allow people to scream, "I told you so!"?
To my way of thinking, outdated, inappropriate, or otherwise useless information should be permanently deleted, not saved indefinately. I can see doing so to keep a record of how game content has changed over time, but a User's personal page? Outdated discussions? Speculation? Inapproriate content? What's the purpose? What's the thinking? I'm confused, it makes no sense to me.
(Oh, and, for the record... I will be 60 in 3 weeks, and I've been programming/playing with computers since 1969.) In other words, I'm not a child.
--Warzog Watch your six! 14:00, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to you; across the wiki we archive talk pages and only revert vandalism. My comment may have appeared to be appointing of inappropriate commentary, but in reality it was merely wondering where the tone was coming from. Across multiple of my comments (which I later found removed) I tried to engage in a discussion on your talk page, to get to know a fellow wiki contributor better. It's not a big deal that you are not fond of such discussions and would rather blank them when they are outdated, but that is simply not what is agreed on for the wiki.
Talk pages get their discussions archived when they are out of date, yours no different.

Alternatively, may I suggest keeping the summary you wrote out above on your user page instead; this way users can not comment on it there and all comments regarding your point of view would be contained on a topic in your talk page here. This also allows for easily archiving discussions, whilst having no problems maintaining and editing your work.

Also, Auron was not implying you to be a child in any way, he was merely stating things matter-of-factly. That is simply the kind of person Auron is.

Finally, I was wondering to put a similar comment to Auron's on your talk page before he did, but I was afraid it would go unheard like the other comments, as I found out later (which is why he ended up doing it).

I hope you don't feel attacked in any way, but in the case you do, feel free to share it with us. Who knows, your opinion might change the way of things around here. - Infinite - talk 14:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I understood your query into where the attitude came from... I encountered several forums whereby Mesmer fans react rudely (quite nastily) towards anyone who disagrees with them. It's like talking to a three year old who constantly yells no to anything, and everything, you say.
You say that my actions are not what's agreed to... Could you give me a link to that? I don't recall agreeing to an invasion of privacy.
As to Auron, and his comments, besides being rude, his comment, "I'm usually right about everything" on his user page just rubs me the wrong way. Of course, this wouldn't be the first time a Hawaiian sysop has torqued me beyond belief.
As to the child reference, the Mesmer fans, and folks who are "usually right about everything," normally treat everyone as though they are children, even though many of them, compared to me, are. It gets annoying to hear it over and over, day in and day out.
I've considered placing my opinion on my user page, and ironically, Auron may have pointed me in a direction that may allow me to do so.
--Warzog Watch your six! 23:28, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Warzog, it doesn't really matter whether you're 59 or I'm 19 or Joe Bloggs is 13, or whether Auron's Hawaiian or Swedish or German. I think Auron's "right about everything" thing is trying to be ironic or sardonic or whatever, but, whatever the case, his comment about archiving is valid.

Deleting content, whether it's archived, removed with an edit or even deleted by an admin, doesn't do anything to save bits and bytes. We keep discussions for future reference, or for ease in reading, etc. It's important to archive comments or warnings about inappropriate content, and the inappropriate content itself, for this purpose. pling 23:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I love it when people miss the point. Which was, I got annoyed at being treated as a child. No one deserves that, not even the preteens who play the game. --Warzog Watch your six! 00:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

No one is treating you as a child here. Frankly we treat you as a user who appears to object to following standard wiki procedures. - Infinite - talk 00:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC)