User talk:Lucian Shadowborn/Archive 3

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Is for wall paper, not header image. Please stop. :) Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 16:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh! My bad. Sure thing. I reverted change to ele page. - Lucian Shadowborn 16:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

But to me, it seems just a larger version. I have no idea when it'll go back... - Lucian Shadowborn 16:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Its cuz of the cache...it will fix itself eventually. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 16:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Ctrl + F5. Also, can someone find the official concept art that should go there (my image is a placeholder, lol). - Infinite - talk 16:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Still doesn't work for me but I think we should actually use the images that are on the Guild Wars 2 website. Or at least make an image gallery. - Lucian Shadowborn 16:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey you.

Why are you uploading the same pic with slightly varying names? Doesn't really seem necessary, unless of course you have the usernames Lucian Shadowborn, Lucien, and LS all taken. Eive 03:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeh I do. I had to make my sig shorter in order for it to work the way I wanted it to. - Lucian 4:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yup.. both File:User Aios sig.png and File:User Lucian Shadowborn.jpg will redirect to Image:User Lucian.png. It took awhile to work but all my previous sig files, regardless of format, should be the same. :) - Lucian 4:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Y'know

You could've just directly used Shew's template. ;) - Infi on Wii 84.31.15.202 23:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Well... I feel like an idiot. - Lucian 23:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

As did I, when he coded it all blindingly fast... - Infi on Wii 84.31.15.202 23:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Haha! I'm fixing a few of the codes to make it run alot smoother. - Lucian 23:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Please update Shew's when you made it work. ;P - 84.31.15.202 00:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol, I will, with his permission. I'm just having issues with it's breakup. Together, two of the same template seem fine.. break space about twice, the 2nd one broke up. - Lucian 0:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

It uses my images, so if the thing still functions as it should, you have permission. ;P - 84.31.15.202 00:14, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol alright. Here's what I did:

• Direct links from images
• Added mouse-over text for some browsers (want to make a seperate template for description.. maybe a popout of the skill description as seen on GWPVX wiki)
• Backpack now links to Skills page.
• Kept format

- Lucian 0:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Go edit the other template then. =D If the linebreak still persists, don't worry about it too much :) Gn! 84.31.15.202 00:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) ok man. Night! - Lucian 0:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the event

That you missed my post on my talk page: what specifically do you need help with? I want to help out, but I can't help when I don't know what you want help with. Aqua (talk|contribs) 04:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to understand why the lines are breaking up. If you notice, first skillbar is fine, then the 2nd one has a missing line. - Lucian 4:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think I've figured it out, by adding clear, I managed to removing most of breaking possiblities. Only downside, one needs to remember a +2 space between... - Lucian 4:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, thanks for fixing the template! I've been gone for a few hours, so I didn't notice until now. I'm slightly confused to how the template would break, though.-- Shew 06:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

My best bet is on the irregularities of skill icon dimensions. - Infinite - talk 15:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Mine too. Last night I tried something with File:No skill.jpg, today I realized what I intended it to do. I'm going to move it to my userspace nd make everyskill picutre No Skill, so tha when someone puts a skill in, it'll replace it. ;) You know, instead of just text. - Lucian 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

LOL

Yes, hat was quite stupid of us to forget till only day 3 since creation! Not linking empty slots, bahaha. Nice catch! =] - Infinite - talk 13:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

:) Thats why I'm here! - Lucian 17:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I still haven't worked out the empty ones if you prompt them, but not fill them. - Infinite - talk 17:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I think I found a way around that, but it includes 2 templates. :\ - Lucian 17:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh? Do tell! =D - Infinite - talk 17:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

[[User:Shewmake/Template:Page]] contains the skillbar but slightly codes differently. We can make User:Infinite/Template:Skills [[User:Infinite/Template:Skills/Barebone]] without harming any1 who is currently using the code. :) It works on Shew's page. - Lucian 17:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, that doesn't work. Haha. I tested it on my page. -Lucian on PS3.

The only way to avoid it is as I instructed on the actual template; don't prompt it and it works fine. - Infinite - talk 18:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't that break it? -Lucian on PS3

Nope, you could specify s1, s4, s7 and s10 and never touch the rest in the template and it works perfectly. - Infinite - talk 18:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol but what about s2, s3, s5, s6, s8, and s9? Will it still be the same when inputing codes? Also..see if you can make a |health = ???? that will be on the actual health. Make it useful, you know? I also uploaded from the top bar a mana but I reverted it too. If you want, we can make it a fully functioning bar? :) I have ambitions! - Lucian 18:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I can input such variables up till certain extent. I would need to seclude ever digit on the health and mana bar, completely re-design the top half of the skill bar and add parameters, etc etc. I doubt anyone knows their stats currently anyway. :P

Also, if you want to leave s2 etc blank, just skip it altogether. s1=blah|s3=blah. s2 is not given, so it defaults to the lock. - Infinite - talk 18:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Very nice indeed. I guess my idea will come back down the road eventually. I can see this template being used to give boss skills. haha - Lucian 18:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

What is consensus?

Quoting various internet dictionaries ignores the greater point I'm trying to make. Yes, the official recognized definition of consensus normally contains the word "most." On a wiki, however, consensus is not 51%. Hell, it's not even 90%. Consensus, when used in the context of a wiki, is the overwhelming majority in agreement of a single course of action. I will be the first to acknowledge that this process is incredibly slow (see the incredibly long discussion pertaining to the design of the main page), but what it does do is make sure that everyone is in agreement. In situations such as the dual color thing, a vote to obtain consensus is pointless because a) it would be very close to 50/50 I think (at least at the current stage of discussion) and b) that's not how consensus works. Something as important (in terms of the area of the wiki it affects) as the dual colors schemes should not be decided once and for all by a vote of all things. I imagine that it will take quite a while to get consensus on the dual color scheme, and until then, we will just be using a single "lighter" color.
tl;dr Consensus is an overwhelming majority in agreement over a single course of action (including attempts to make compromises), and consensus -> implementation. (Please feel free to discuss here, arguing about your views of what consensus is during a discussion that has nothing to do with that should occur here, not there.)
(AN: I apologize if I come across as annoyed; I am not annoyed, I just feel that you should understand what consensus is on a wiki, knowing that you've been scared of making edits on "controversial" topics. I've already mentioned how understanding of a general agreement comes with time.) :) Aqua (T|C) 02:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

It's fine man, I know that you're a friend and wouldn't come off as annoyed. I am scared of making edits to controversial topics, I will not lie. I think I'll just keep it short and simple and just say "I concur to the notion that has just been made previous of my comment." I can also join the Anti-Speculation Regime... I heard they're calling for more members. - Lucian 2:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

more

→ moved from Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Color schemes

Similar to voting in the means that the more people who wish for it to happen will happen but a 6-7 will still need more discussion. - Lucian 0:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

"Popular vote would get you nowhere. Wikis are founded and based on consensus". Erasculio 00:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Consensus is the choice of the more. Not the less. IF most people want change, then it will be. Consensus should not be held back by the few. Never the less, in order to get something past, all parties or most of them anyway most agree. No need for voting. That is not how it is run. - Lucian 1:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

"Consensus is the choice of the more. Not the less. IF most people want change, then it will be": not really. That's a very wrong statement (fortunatelly). Erasculio 01:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) (Edit conflict) Lucian, if that is how you believe a wiki is run, then I feel that you don't truly understand how wikis (here or on any other wiki) are supposed to function. On a wiki, the minority's opinion should not be ignored solely because it's the minority. Wikis require absolute (or near absolute) consensus, with few or no dissenting voices. (And in this particular argument, when its almost, if not, 50-50, voting would be completely unacceptable.) But this is a discussion for elsewhere at another time.
There should not be voting, people should voice their opinion, and we can see if one side decides to pick the other side. Also known as, if someone presents something that makes a person on one side change their opinion, eventually we will all be either in agreement that there should be dual colors, or that there should not be. Aqua (T|C) 01:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• "That's a very wrong statement"

I should've worded it slightly different, huh?

• "A process of decision-making that seeks widespread agreement among group members. General agreement among the members of a given group or community, each of which exercises some discretion in decision-making and follow-up action." From Wikionary.
• "Consensus decision-making is a group decision making process that seeks not only the agreement of most participants but also the resolution or mitigation of minority objections. Consensus is defined by Merriam-Webster as, first – general agreement and, second – group solidarity of belief or sentiment." From Wikipedia.
• "1: majority of opinion" From dictionary.reference.com.
• "general or widespread agreement" From Freedictionary

Happy or do I need to go more in-depth ;) I had no intention that its' not run by the input of the minority and Aqua, you know very well I don't make changes without first obtaining a consensus nor do I revert a change (unless its' totally wrong) I can always state that its latin root means feel together.? The words used mostly among these sources is "most" or a synonym. I'm not saying you're wrong I just don't think you both understood my first comment so I'm elaborating upon it... just give me a chance my brothers from another mother. :D - Lucian 1:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. - Lucian 1:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

← moved to Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Color schemes

Yes and I apologize for the misunderstanding. - Lucian 2:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I've already brought up what consensus is elsewhere; it doesn't need to be discussed here further. What does need to be discussed here further is, as I have said previously, the concept of implementing dual colors. Aqua (T|C) 02:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

regarding move

I moved it from its former place because it was offtopic and had no need to be there. Warn me not do it again and I won't but I feel that this is the best place for it and it should remain here. - Lucian 2:37, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

If you hadn't I would have. :) This is the appropriate place for this kinda thing. :) Aqua (T|C) 02:44, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah :) Also, if no one comments on this within a week I can archive it deep within my archives. lol - Lucian 2:53, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

What is this

Seriously?! D: Consensus is basically when a medium for a change has been met wherein every participant of a discussion, regardless of time frame, can find themselves and are content with. - Infinite - talk 15:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Lol...this was a rather long discussion. haha - Lucian 1:02, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Dynamic Event project

Hey Lucian, are you perhaps still interested in doing this project with some people? I made a post about it here Guild_Wars_2_Wiki_talk:Projects/Dynamic_Events Can you take a look? Ge4ce-Talk-Contribs 17:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

template

I blame cold weather. - Lucian 23:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

It's fine, we all failed like that before. Except Felix, he'll deny it. As he should. :D - Infinite - talk 00:26, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

hahah :D Im glad folks understand! - Lucian 0:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Yo userpage bro

You have your legion set to charr and your order set to Iron Legion. That isn't how physics works man. Eive 05:38, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Saw this...what are you referring to? It looks right to me... Aqua (T|C) 05:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Took me a while to figure it out but I got it! :) - Lucian 5:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Attribute table

I'm far from an expert with tables, but what issue are you having? I'm using Firefox and I cannot see any trouble with it. G R E E N E R 06:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

The only issue I could think of is the fact that not all columns are of equal width. - Infinite - talk 12:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thats what I was seeing as well. - Lucian 14:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Yup.. - Lucian 14:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I've got something similar with the latest version of Chrome so, there's definitely something wrong with this table but I can't spot what :( Chriskang 14:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

The current set-up will not work for 800x600 and smaller when we have all professions, by the way. - Infinite - talk 15:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

It seems that the outer border of the table, and column spacing, isn't being handled properly by some browsers or screen sizes. For my case, it is working out fine, File:User Greener firefox table 1440x900.jpg.

One option could be to change the first statement to read align="center" width="90%" and see if bringing it back from the edge helps in any way. G R E E N E R 20:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I did that on preview and it worked fine. :) - Lucian 23:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

More Screenshots

Hey Lucian! :D Someone with a marvelously high resolution screen took those screenshots with the black bars on them (like the Ossan Quarter one). :D Could you possibly remove the black bars and upload the rest onto here? :D I know some of them are repeats, but their quality is so good! <3 <3 Please and thank you! :D --Amannelle 00:17, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Uh uh uh.. sure.. :) - Lucian 0:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

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  Kryta Screenshot 2.jpg

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  Kryta Screenshot 3.jpg

Should be fine, however there was no clear date on the pictures so I couldn't upload via recommended image name.. - Lucian 0:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

nk template

Hey, I noticed that you redirected the nk template in your user space to the one in mine. The one currently in my user space is actually a little different than the one @ Template:nk. In fact, I'm probably gonna end up tagging mine for deletion.-- Shew 04:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh please don't. Or at least move it to mine... I like the way yours functions as opposed to the mainstream one. - Lucian 4:16, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

The only difference between the two is that the mainstream one uses the encoder, whereas mine just substitutes the character into the image filename. Oh yeah, and mine can handle 35 characters, whereas the mainstream one handles 19. But 35 is unnecessary in the meantime anyways because it can only handle single words. The encoder is much more efficient & organized, imo, and mine has a bunch of redundant code (i.e., I attempted to handle spaces, periods, etc., but they aren't handled. What do you like so much about the older one? If you're sure, you can take them: Translator, Length, GetChar.-- Shew 04:22, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, I just changed the redirect... - Lucian 4:25, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm...

{{highlight|{{User:Lucian Shadowborn/as|Ididhowevercreateawholeotherlanguageoutput}}}}

. - Lucian 3:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeh, highlighting also works over this template

{{highlight|{{User:Lucian Shadowborn/as|Ididhowevercreateawholeotherlanguageoutput}}}}

- Lucian 4:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

pics

That's the entire Ascalonian alphabet. Shouldn't effect wiki server as it works fine for me. - Lucian 4:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Random Bit of Slight Agitation

Maybe I'm just tired and/or frustrated because of my school work, but could I please ask that in the future, you see what you are doing when you make massive changes. (Note the fact that my previous three edits to the Defending Shaemoor example in Ge4ce's article were edits fixing stuff that you removed.) The rewards table you re-implemented looks kind of ugly, and I prefer the open feel that the rewards design I implemented previously. The collapsing aftermath cinematics should be collapsible; they're quite massive and semi unnecessary generally. We should document them, but a reader should have to take the time to use the collapse button to see which cinematics they prefer. The events thing, also, has already been decided to a degree that we talk about events on the relative overarching "Quest"-type thing they are in.
(PS: It's not that I think you were trying to undo changes, I just think you overlooked what your massive change was doing partially.) :) Aqua (T|C) 01:02, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure man, my bad on that. Had no intention of purposely undoing changes like that. - Lucian 1:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)