User talk:Claret/Archive1

Events

Hey, good job cleaning up those event lists, and with event pages in general. It's nice seeing dedicated wikiers adding and fixing stuff - plus your talk page looked a bit empty. pling 02:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it's not too bad now I search and replace in a text editor. Nice to be noticed. Thinking of sending myself messages  :) Claret 02:03, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

There are few things that beat seeing the orange new-messages box :P. pling 02:09, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Pling is subliminally implying that you should spam his talk page. He gets about 2 comments per month.--Relyk ~ talk > 02:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, he was being subtle. OK, I will randomly comment on something as he's obviously lonely like me. And a Brit too I think/guess. Claret 02:39, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I am. (And thanks for the message :P) pling 03:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Contributing events

I think this should remain as a subheading of contributing actions. Maybe remove the "Contributing" part so there's no redundancy. Otherwise, there are too many top-level headers in what are generally very short articles. —Dr Ishmael 16:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure. That's fine. Claret 16:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Fixed today's. Hopefully. Claret 16:36, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Coolio. —Dr Ishmael 17:34, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Living Story events

I'm thinking we should treat these like we do dungeons - since the events are scripted parts of the overall story narrative and don't give rewards individually, there's no benefit to splitting them out to separate pages. They can all be documented together on the story's page to form a single cohesive walkthrough for the story. What do you think? —Dr Ishmael 14:12, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm thinking that that is a pretty reasonable approach. I have noted on one of the Cragstead pages that I made and also on one of the hatchery pages that I was expecting some changes and hoped my work would end up being useful somewhere. But how that is I leave to you and others. I am completely unworried where it goes.  :) Claret 14:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Skill Challenges (Initiator vs. Event)

Hello, I noticed that you changed Shaman Purda's skill challenge event to link to the initiator. I know there has been a lot of discussion on how to refer to skill challenges on the wiki, and it seems like the established structure is to refer to the event if it exists (whenever an event notification pops up on the top right), and to refer to the person or object otherwise. I know the nav template for location pages have the events listed.

On another note, great job with all the work you're doing with location/npc documentation! Zomperzon 05:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that there was a recent change in policy to list the initiator, not the event. I have been told by Ish etc to do it this way. Could you check please. Claret 05:24, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

The format was changed to use the initiator rather than the skill challenge event. I don't think the format page has been updated yet.--Relyk ~ talk > 05:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

It's not a "policy" (we don't have policies here, only guidelines) but yes, it was agreed that listing the initiator for all skill challenges was preferable for the sake of consistency. Otherwise you have the event listed for combat challenges and the initiator listed for all other types, an unnecessary disconnect. I updated the "Zone structure" section of Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Location formatting yesterday for this. —Dr Ishmael 12:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant policy in the sense of "practice, custom, idea, procedure, conduct, convention." rather than "plans, strategy, stratagem, approach, code, system, guidelines, theory; line, position, stance, attitude" - "policy" has too many definitions. I guess my usage of the word reflects what Dr ishmael is saying rather than a more rigid definition. Darn, English is soooo inexact at times. Claret 15:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Whenever I say "policy" out of habit, ishmael gives me the evil eye.--Relyk ~ talk > 15:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

ishmael - consider the evil eye received and I feel suitably chastened Claret 15:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello there

I've been meaning to post for a few days now but you beat me to the punch. In general, thanks for adding objects and such to events. I think we are doing similar things but from different angles. I've been running low level guys through heart missions trying to add the npc/object line and fix the infobox descriptions, and you have been tackling the same on events. I am a good screenshotter and will gladly help you remove [[red links]] from areas you have complete. I can make a ok stub for almost any object or foe. I am not good at Ally NPC pages, I don't know services, and I don't know them well enough to judge if there is an existing picture. Anyways let me know if I can help in any way with your project. Yoe Dude 22:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, nice to "speak" to you, I noticed that you're a heavy contributor too. You're more than welcome to add screenshots to anything I add, I find it tedious to do so and really would not miss doing so. I suppose the best way is to watch my contributions and see where I am missing an image. I tend to do hearts when they become obvious but probably don't give them the depth they deserve. I am finding my way through services. I have no problem at all with people editing my work, although nit-picking stuff does irritate me. Genuine additional materials and corrections are what it's all about. Any suggestions as to a division of labor would be useful. --Claret 22:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I find it easier to work off a main area page. This weekend I have open Mount Maelstrom. My main, Steph, lives on this map and it's been bugging me a while that there is still red links for zones on this map. My goal is to fix this problem. I also am adding area screens to all the POI and of course adding NPCs/Objects. As far as events, I think they all are made just not linked to the big list on the page, and some are stubs. I'm trying to fix that but I'm not that good at it yet. My future plans are re-rolling my Mesmer as a Sylvari and making a new Warrior, as soon as I bank the 16-18 gold for the coins that is, then I'll have two guys to check starting area hearts.

With all that said, yes I LOVE making screenshots! When I started on Risen there was maybe 20 pages, now there is close to 200. I didn't set out to make all those pages, but I had to have somewhere to put all my screens =). My heart project was just my idea to build the database of objects. My hope is that when you get to an area I have worked on, as you link objects and foes to your pages there will already be a page there for your link. My ranger Beth is doing this, she just finished Bloodtide Coast and has moved to Iron Marches. She is lvl 58ish and is going to work thru the harder area maps in Ascalon until she is 80 then she will move into Orr. I am posting my progress on my home page so all can see. I am spending a lot of time in an given area to see if any events pop up that will count towards heart completion. Trying to be accurate in the info on the heart pages is my main goal.

My offer to you is to load the area event category page after you get an area done and add pages for any foe or object you have reported. I get bored sometimes doing my thing and it would be a welcome change of pace. I am have a very good grasp on most foes and I am the wiki's expert on objects. I can easily find an image to link or can decide if a new shot is needed. I'm not sure if my work can help you in any way, but I wanted you to know that I am out there and you will have some data already in place. I use copy and paste quite often when folks have full lists of NPCs and Objects on pages relevant to what I am working on. That's why I wanted to thank you, when I am in an area you have edited, things are much easier than doing it all from scratch.

Let me know your thoughts, I play every day during my evening (I am CST USA) My user name and game world info is on my page, message me in game at any time. I can offer you my cell phone number if you wish to really talk, but not here =). I would also would be willing to try the "visiting feature" and come game with you or help with an area/event or two! Yoe Dude 16:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I am British and living in the UK. I can manage to write honor, recognize, center etc.  :) The time zone might make getting together a bit of a problem. I thank you for your offer of screenshot etc help. I will let you know what's happening as I do stuff. --Claret 23:25, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

"open-dbl-curly" and such

This might make your life a little easier- you can enclose text within <nowiki> tags to avoid automatic wiki formatting, like so:

{{Template:Hurpa durpa}} 18:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I knew there was something but my Alzheimer's is winning. Now what were you telling me…? --Claret 18:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

"add name for format purposes elsewhere", it's not just for formatting, it also displays the correct name in the infobox ;)--Relyk ~ talk > 18:56, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Erm, sorry

I don't know if I'm even doing this right, just started on the wiki. Been trying to edit one of your pages: "http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Siva_Axegrinder"-- you're missing a h. Should be Shiva. I'll change it if I could, but I don't know how to. Sorry!

Cort 17:05, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I've fixed it. After a few more edits you'll become autconfirmed and unlock a tab to the right of the "edit" one which will be labelled "move" - this will rename the page to whatever you type. Also, internal links are cool :P Shiva Axegrinder. -Chieftain Alex 17:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Don't be sorry, I am still learning myself. You'll find experts like Chieftain Alex around. I am off the wiki for a while. Good to see someone with an eye for detail though. --Claret 17:12, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

It is not 's in Sirius' case

Sirius Black HP wiki Under bio "Sirius' popularity was not universal, however. Early on, a mutual hatred sprang up between James Potter and Severus Snape. Sirius actively supported James, leading to Snape bestowing an equal and life-long grudge upon Sirius, which resulted in Snape's happiness after Sirius's death." Durp da durp 03:40, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

You already replied on Spekks's Laboratory, don't spam user talk pages.--Relyk ~ talk > 03:42, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Is pointing out once the source to that somewhat unrelated article spam? Upon seeing the 'editing BBC' comment i thought this might amuse someone who edits text and if this is the overall friendly gw2 wiki community feel I will never contribute ever again. I only stopped by again to point out why I dislike google translate. (Transcribed from written text of a native of Poland) "jestem Polak pomożesz mi" = (uk/google) Help me i am a Pole OR (usa commonly) Help me I am Polish. I dare not ask google to translate polish >.< (and yes i do find a pole in need of help funny. Youtube is full of poles in need of help ;) Durp da durp 22:11, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

It's the internet, there are already too many arguments on the internet. just leave it  :) It was a nice chat on the Spekk's's's's page. --Claret 22:15, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thank you ma'am for the delightful chat about the differences in semantics between our two versions of the same language. I didn't mean to cause a disturbance in any way except maybe a small amount of creative mischief. Enjoy your day or night whichever the case is 'across the pond'. I'll shut-up now and leave you alone. Durp da durp 00:31, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Did I miss something?

I noticed you were removing the {{map icon|whatever}} from area pages. Did I miss this somewhere's? I know I have been meaning to edit the area template to change "Critter" to "Ambient creature" but I must have missed the drop the icons discussion. I hate to work up a page only to need you to re-edit once you get there.Yoe Dude (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

The new consensus, or so I understand and no one has told me differently, is that an area's Locations and objectives part should have "plain" titles for its subdivisions and each of them should have an icon instead of a bullet. This was brought on by {{area events}} producing an iconised list and it was felt that treating the others the same way would be more consistent. Hopefully someone will produce a {{area hearts}} to make things easier. Also {{heart|<name of the heart>}} produces iconised items and like {{event|<name of the event>}} makes changes made on the items page be reflected in the listing. Hope that clears it up.  :) --Claret (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I can email you a shell that I use if you want. --Claret (talk) 22:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

User_talk:Relyk#Hearts_list_items is part of conversation. --Claret (talk) 22:26, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Silly me forgot to watch your page so sorry I didn't reply sooner... Don't mind me I stress out sometimes, I see this and I think everything I've been editing lately is all just bloody junk. I've been using Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Location formatting. Needless to say I use this page a lot, I even put up my foe template in this pages discussion. Sometimes I think the whole cartography project has fallen to waste. I thought about making some changes to this page, mostly removing Critter and replacing with Ambient creature, but I guess there is lots of changes needed for this now... sigh. Yoe Dude (talk) 04:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

There are many areas of the wiki that are poorly documented and the documentation that exist is often way out of date. However, the area locations and objectives seem to going toward a consensus of

Renown Hearts

{{heart|aaa}}

{{heart|bbb}}

{{heart|ccc}}

{{heart|ddd}}

Waypoints

aaaa Waypoint

aaaa Waypoint

Points of Interest

[[aaaa]]

[[bbbb]]

Vistas

aaaa Vista

route to vista if needed

more route to vista if needed

bbbb Vista

route to vista if needed

more route to vista if needed

Skill Challenges

[[aaaa]] (these will iconise themselves)

[[bbbb]]

Landmarks

[[aaaa]]

Jumping Puzzles

[[aaaa]]

Dungeons

[[aaaa]]

Events

{{area events}} (these will iconise themselves)

I prefer to remove stuff and the aaaa etc makes it easier to select for cut and paste from old lists. The lack of bullets is due to each list litem having an icon. Typically I remove each section that is empty except I often leave the events section as it defaults to No events found for this area. The obvious advantage is that if someone adds a page for an event which mentions the area in its infobox, it automatically appears on the area page. Hopefully there will be a hearts equivalent. Now please remember that I am following some guidelines that have not been formally published but are from the most active and knowledgeable wiki persons. The fact that I like the system encourages me to use it but it's a wiki so subject to change. I too used to feel irritated when using the published format and my work was edited away because a new method had reached a consensus in some other corner of the discussion. But then I have not the time or inclination to search out every corner. Anyway, I hope the above is helpful to your forming a method for your editing. I certainly won't overwrite work just because it's not exactly the way I would do it. Personally I find that objectionable. --Claret (talk) 05:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this template, and also for fixing the one on the locations page, I also did some editing there myself. Looks real good, but I still question changing ===Events=== to ;Events but that just may be me. I kind of liked the smaller font and the break in the table of contents.

As for editing my work, I don't "watch" pages I make or edit. I want folks to add to or correct anything wrong, and since this is the new format for area pages and my older edits don't reflect these changes, I would expect someone to change them to be in the correct format, so no worries about me getting upset over this. But, I note your preference so if I come to a page that you have edited and I feel that it is not in proper format, I will call your attention to this rather than correct it on my own. That said, please list "Critters" under the group Ambient creature. You will note that critter now links correctly to ambient creature. I am rewriting Animal tonight or tomorrow so that will also be an acceptable page to link to in the foe lists. Yoe Dude (talk) 06:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

The grouping of events with the other stuff is a choice not made by me. I was told that that was the way to go. Not something I have any real opinion about myseld. Currently there area mixture of how listings occur and <shrug> I will change stuff I come across if other stuff needs changing. Thanks for the corrections to my template stuff, motto, don't do stuff like that when you're distracted. As for critters, I note the name change to Ambient creatures and rankly wonder why they bothered, ANet that is, but then I wonder at several of their choices. --Claret (talk) 15:02, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

area hearts

I made the {{area hearts}} template. Tbh it's not very impressive when areas almost always have one heart but it's doing what it's suppose to.

== Objectives ==
; Renown Hearts
{{area hearts}}

; Waypoints
{{area waypoints}}

; Points of Interest
{{area pois}}

; Vistas
{{area vistas}}

; Skill Challenges
{{area skill challenges}}

; Landmarks
{{area landmarks}}

; Jumping Puzzles
{{area jumping puzzles}}

; Dungeons
{{area dungeons}}

; Events
: {{area events}}

== NPCS ==

=== Allies ===
{{area allies}}

=== Foes ===
{{area foes}}

It would look gorgeous to stick them all into queries and the area pages would be generated almost automatically based on all the information we put in infoboxes. The only problem is vistas and waypoints don't have articles and the NPC infobox doesn't have a parameter for disposition ^^.--Relyk ~ talk < 01:02, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

You might as well make one template to do all the queries

{{area stuff}}

And have it lookup all the stuff at once. (if no results, don't show header) -Chieftain Alex 12:30, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

The advantage of {{area hearts}} and {{area events}} are that if someone adds a heart or an event ie on its own page, it is autoupdated by the area's page. Ideally you would have a similar for zones but that would be several orders of magnitude more complex I would think. Thanks anyway for the {{area hearts}}. --Claret (talk) 14:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes this could be nice, however I agree some things may be better just as they are. Foes, Objects, and Crafting resourses in most cases adding the area's to their pages would add more to the infoboxes than just adding them by hand to the area pages, not to mention having to edit 30+ pages to make an area. Hopefully we'll get those pages made before too much longer, then this won't be such a hot project. I will use {{area hearts}} in my future edits. (and watch this page =)Yoe Dude (talk) 16:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I think I may have just reverted you

I had the Apostate Wastes pages open for edit, and I'm slow so it took me maybe 2 hours to re-do this page, and I think you edited it while I was too. I looked and I don't think I made any weird changes, but I hoped you would review this page and just wanted to say...opps! My goal is to finish all my remaining area and POI pages in Fireheart Rise this weekend since it is an American holiday, hope we aren't working the same turf. {I'll be on-line for like the next 20 hours or so, chat me up in-game if you wish.} Yoe Dude (talk) 22:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

The only "revert" you made was {{area hearts}} which you fixed yourself. I too have been caught by people altering stuff when I have had a page open for a while. But I now usually save my changes to a text editor in case of that. You have done a very thorough job on that area. My time zone is way different and I don't think I will be on for much longer, just finishing off a few bits for daily. --Claret (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

discussion and consensus

I am honestly confused as to why you are reacting with such hostility over here. I simply made a proposal: "Perhaps having a subheader for each would be best", which you seemed to misunderstand when you said, "... I was firmly told that events were part of L&O. If so then they belong with them and I see no great reason to treat them differently than, say, hearts." I never said that events should not be part of L&O. From there, the misunderstandings escalated to where you now seem to be accusing other people of having clandestine discussions about changing things without consulting you. Again, I'm confused about how you came to that conclusion.

If you could please calm down and try to avoid taking anything personally ("hopefully my work will not be wasted"), we can have a constructive discussion. —Dr Ishmael 00:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I am very irritated, if you perceive that as hostility then I guess it may well be a gender or culture related thing. Yes, I am irritated. The main problem is my request for comments, an absense of them, then a "oh, we discussed that", let's change things. Where were these discussions? I am told to confine the discussions to the talk page but it's obvious that there's a whole layer of discussion that i have no idea about. Wouldn't you be irritated if such a thing happened to you. But, of course, it's unlikely to. Really, you seem to get irritated yourself fairly easily and because you can't see where I am coming from, you tell me to "calm down". I am not uncalm, it's a game, I can get irritated without being angry. Like so many people, you seem to think that someone expressing a view that's contrary to you to be "hostile". I have no problem with disagreeing with someone without seeing them as terrible people. It's a discussion, a discussion with contrary views. However, I made my points. They were not answered and I suppose it's not surprising that some of them were not. I will get over my irritation by the morning. I really do not like confrontation but it's too easy to get into it inadvertently when you're writing rather than talking. --Claret (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• Guild_Wars_2_Wiki_talk:Projects/Cartography/Archive_2#POIs
• Guild_Wars_2_Wiki_talk:Projects/Cartography/Archive_2#New_layout_proposal:_Area_pages
• Guild_Wars_2_Wiki_talk:Projects/Cartography#Just_an_opinion_to_Area_format
• Guild_Wars_2_Wiki_talk:Projects/Cartography#denoting_skill_challenges_w.2Fevent_on_zone.2Farea_pages
• Guild_Wars_2_Wiki_talk:Projects/Cartography#documentation_of_PoIs
• Guild_Wars_2_Wiki_talk:Location_formatting/Archive_1#Zones:_Event_.26_Heart_content

We discussed events somewhere else as well and a bunch of other stuff I've found from lurking. We also have the more recent discussion with you with area events template. Being irritated doesn't bode well in discussion and can distract people from your issues, just making everyone more irritated. Like saying "these fucking sections look terrible" will both enrage anons you are talking with and have the admins spamming your talk page. At that point, it works better to get off the wiki and let someone else get input, even if it takes weeks.--Relyk ~ talk < 04:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Might well be an idea. However, work takes me away from it every week or so. So I'll proabably have a break in a couple of days anyway. As to the list of discussions, thee are some which are quite historical in wiki terms. There's a large amount of overlap and I have seen them all but one before. I am talking about recent discussions around the recent change. I think you misunderstand me. I am not grumbling about the change/proposed change, I am grumbling about being told that there had been discussions about location&objectives after or around the change that I put up for discusion and that no-one seemed to be able to point it out. It's fairly obvious that this is something that I would feel uncomfortable/bad about if I had been responsible but is apparently "normal" on this wiki. I guess that it's a measure of being more used to dealing with people face to face than some faceless person at the other end of an ethernet cable. OK. My wrist is slapped. I'll try to remember not to be publically irritated again. To be honest, when I woke up this morning, the first thing on my mind was not the wiki. If nothing had greeted me then I would have moved on but a message deserves a response. Thanks for your input. --Claret (talk) 08:25, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not slapping your hand. The conversation about switching the event subheader to definition was about 6 comments long with like 3 people. It doesn't matter for the current discussion either. This discussion about using sections was long overdue; there was no discussion about formatting since jumping puzzles up until the area events template. If people agree moving to sections, although my opinion is omitting them looks nicer, I agree that we need to separate the map completion stuff from the other stuff.--Relyk ~ talk < 01:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

And never lose faith! There might be a lot of old, archived discussions but that doesn't mean practices are set in stone. If you continue to push your issue rationally and thoughtfully, chances are you'll change status quo. Getting emotional/irritated/etc leads to early burnout, and you'll end up quitting out of frustration before anything actually changes :( -Auron 03:59, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

This discussion is NOT about where a subheader goes or doesn't go. It's about having a discussion and people not disagreeing with a change proposal. THEN, relatively soon after a lot of work was done saying "Oh yes, let's change it again, by-the-way i was discussed in some other pages archives". And why didn't you (collectively) mention this before? I really don't care where the subheader goes. It's the attitude. But I have reached the conclusion that thoughless (to say the least) behaviour should be expected. It's naive of me to have thought otherwise. Anyway, it's probably time to put this discussion to rest as it's got tired quickly :) --Claret (talk) 07:01, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I came in pretty late to the wiki and missed most of the discussion on formatting the wiki, so you won't find many answers from me. Personally, I'm happy it got discussed at all so changes could be made now instead of another 3 months down the line. Many discussions just never take place for a long time or at all, such as Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Renown heart formatting and Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:Dungeon formatting. I'm not upset if some consensus is reached, we do a bunch of crap, and then it gets thrown away when consensus changes for whatever reason; at least it means we are making progress.--Relyk ~ talk < 09:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

satill waiting for comments though, I put a sample up on my sandbox based on Ishmael's suggestion and no real comments since. Are people interested or just commenting in passing? --Claret (talk) 09:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Unless someone puts a counterexample, I can't really say much on a preferred way to present it beyond splitting into subsections. I'm mostly just staying away from it to wait on more user input, we aren't in a rush. Like it has been pointed out by ishmael and alex, even if we change to the format eventually, you can keep using the current format. By using the current format, it makes it simple to automate or semi-automate changes to a new format, so you aren't beating a dead horse with your work.--Relyk ~ talk < 10:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's true. I suppose many people just have too much on the go. --Claret (talk) 10:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

event type

I wouldn't remove the type parameter although we can have it set the type as dynamic event by default, specifying the type of event is much preferred.--Relyk ~ talk < 08:18, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, really, I thought that was the idea of a default? If I do, does that make things problematical? --Claret (talk) 08:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't pose a problem for the most part. People may end up omitting the event type for group events or skill challenges, I've seen it happen a few times. It seems to be a mixed bag on most templates; many default to the Unspecified line because the type is a must. If we change how we deal with event types in the future, such as with semantic properties and crap, explicitly defining the type as dynamic event may be useful. It's a good practice to provide the type whether or not we change anything. It's not hurting anyone to include it, although many users prefer omitting the parameter when possible.--Relyk ~ talk < 09:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I can see it's a problem if they omit if for a non-DE type but I have come across none myself. And if it's needed in the future, I can't really see a problem when other stuff is changed/manipulated. There's so many now, and not just mine by any means, that I am fairly sure that my removing it will make no real difference. --Claret (talk) 12:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Nah, but if it is a problem, I'm going to spam mudkip jpgs on your talk page.--Relyk ~ talk < 21:03, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Eek, mercy, not those, horrors… --Claret (talk) 21:07, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Event formatting

Hello! I see you doing a lot of editing on event pages, namely, removing zone and event type information from the template. I've been trying to add a bunch of event pages for many events and have been using this template page as a guideline and the template guide says both of those fields are required. Can you please tell me why you are removing them? --Musha 07:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, yet another example of the actual requirements lagging behind the documentation. Seriously lagging. (1) only the area is required as the template derives the zone/etc. (2) if no type is defined, it now defaults to dynamic. I am not removing "type = dynamic" unless I am on the page for other stuff.

The areas can now be writted "Shaemoor Fields,Western Divinity Dam" if the event is in more than one area, no need for [[Shaemoor Fields]]<br>[[Western Divinity Dam]] and areaverbatim is no longer needed. It's important to use the area(s) as they are used in {{area events}} on location pages and {{area events}} generated a list of events in the area (stating he obvious of course).

storyline = now is meta_event =

I will update the template as soon as possible.

Template:Event_infobox might be useful in the meantime.

Always trust template documentation over any formatting guidelines. IMO the guidelines shouldn't be spelling out how to use the template in the first place, they should be referring the reader to the template doc. —Dr Ishmael 14:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC)