Talk:"Ronan's Refuge"

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So, the Sylvari capital. Cress Arvein 02:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Or a tree. Lord Belar 04:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Move?

Does anyone agree with moving this to Sylvari Capital? --Hellbringer(T/C) 20:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Leave it as it is now, in my opinion, until we know the actual name. Ronan's Refuge is currently the most common name for whatever it is, so I think it's better than "Sylvari Capital." Once we know the real name, we can move it. -- pling | ggggg 21:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Seems like a good explanation :D. --Hellbringer(T/C) 23:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/showthread.php?p=5560437#post5560437&gr_i_ni

The Grove

"Quote: Can we have a name for the sylvari capital (apologies, again for the wiki's benefit) ?

Not sure, but the book simply says "the Grove" is their home. (yes, capitalized, so it might be the real thing)." — Balistic 17:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I say it should be moved. The Grove is from the official Guild Wars 2 art book while "Ronan's Refuge" is fan speculation. Lord Caeliat 20:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the move as well – if it happens to be wrong name, we can always move it again. · LOQUAY · 13:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

So when is the move gonna happen?-- Shew 01:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

When there is confirmation this spot is where the "Grove" is referring to. :) -- Konig/talk 02:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The page can be moved. (I removed the quote to avoid copyright infringement.) Shew 01:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The Grove is their home, but is the location of the tree the Grove? -- Konig/talk 02:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The tree is where they're born, so I assume it would be.-- Shew 02:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Not all assumptions are fact though. It could be they are born in point A, which is heavily guarded, and travel a short distance to point B where they live. Afterall, if there are Sylvari who can become corrupted via the dreams, would you have the whole population at the only known origin of the race? It makes logical sense that once the Nightmare Court was made, they'd move the capital and main home of the Sylvari to somewhere else in order to help protect the tree. I.e., those at the tree are the Sylvari's "holy warriors" - i.e., those who are least likely to be corrupted by the nightmares. -- Konig/talk 02:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but that's complete speculation. It couldn't hurt to just add a small qualifier to the article, such as "the Grove is the name of the Sylvari capital, and presumably the location of the pale tree. --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I would create the page, but I would call the page "Grove". Is everyone fine with that?-- Shew 21:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

@Santax, I was just proving how we don't know what the case of the Grove is, we only know it as the Sylvari "home". WE cannot tell if it is where the tree is yet. @Shew, Adding "the" before Grove would show that it is a singular location. Especially with how the wiki works, simply "grove" and "Grove" would be the same, as such, it would seem like a grove, not the Grove. -- Konig/talk 21:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

(EC)Grove doesn't seem like a proper noun, it's not really like the Hall of Heroes where it could go either way. Personally I'd prefer 'the Grove', but I don't know what other people think? --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

@Konig, "Grove" is capitalised in the art book from what people are saying, and it's referred to as "the Grove", not "a grove", so I'd say that's the correct name. It might be the Grove OF something for all we know, but so far "the Grove" is the closest thing we have to an official name. And we have no reason to believe the Grove is somewhere other than the site of the Pale Tree, the simplest explanation is usually correct, the explanation that the Sylvari home be where they are born being simpler than one involving inventions of Sylvari holy warriors and strategic thinking. --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

It was an example, want simple answers? Fine "too keep possible corruptible sylvari from the tree" just as simple as "it is where the sylvari are born". -- Konig/talk 00:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

My point was there's nothing whatsoever to suggest that the Grove is now in a different location. For all we know, the "Rata Sum" we saw in the trailer isn't the original site of Rata Sum, but we still have a page on it. Of course we do, because there's nothing to suggest it's moved, that's just silly. You're letting a completely unfounded theory affect content on the wiki. --Santax (talk · contribs) 16:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

We could always just delete this page. There's not much info on in anyways (and it's a fan name), so if the location of the Pale Tree is not the Grove, we can create a new article.-- Shew 17:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

@Santax: Rata Sum is a poor example because it is the same name and it was the Asuran capital from the beginning, we have nothing that says the Pale Tree is in the home city of the Sylvari aside from that tree is how the Sylvari are born. I'm not trying to put theories into the wiki, but saying that there is too little information to go off of in order to have an accurate wiki. Saying that the Grove is where the tree is at this point is just as much of a theory as that the tree is not at the Grove. Both are equally possible, both are equally logical - sure one is more simple than the other, but that doesn't mean it is the case. I'm not saying which is true, I'm just saying we don't know enough to be sure yet. And I disagree with deleting this page until we know the name of the location of the tree (which doesn't mean delete it because we have the name of the Sylvari capital/home city). Oh, and a new thought while typing this out. "The Grove is the home of the Sylvari" doesn't mean that the Grove is a city, but could be the name of the territory the Sylvari have control over (i.e., the name of a sub-region in the Maguuma/Tarnished Coast which is controlled by the Sylvari). The Grove, for all we know, isn't a city, we only know it is the "home" of the Sylvari. Home can mean a series of things. -- Konig/talk 21:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Well you wanted more discussion, Santax, so I'll say that I think Konig has a point. We can't state that the Pale Tree is located in the Grove if that's just an assumption. As for deleting this page, I still think we should. We can incorporate the location of the Pale Tree into its page until we have an exact name of the place or the Grove is confirmed to be the location.-- Shew 17:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Concept Art

surely some of these may be Ronan's Refuge? http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2409168&postcount=87 or at least worth putting into the article (credits to Koing I kinda nabbed this off your talk page sorry, but I noticed it refers to alot of places we could use the pictures for) Zachariah Zuan. 22:11, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Those images are called "Denravi#" - which probably means they are in the Maguuma, such as Henge of Denravi. Not likely to be any of the area of the Pale/Mother Tree. -- Konig/talk 22:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

maybe so but the 5th picture down resembles Ronan's Refuge Zachariah Zuan. 07:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Imo, Ronan's refuge is likely to have changed given that the Pale Tree is fully grown & the sylvari are thriving as a culture.-- Shew 11:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)