User talk:Jorizen

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+damage[edit]

As far as I know, anything in the game that states "deal +x% more damage" only applies to direct damage. The only way to have conditions deal more damage is by increasing the condition damage stat. I don't feel like outright removing your notes, though, since it's definitely not an obvious thing that a player would intuitively know. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 17:15, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're replying to Exposed Weakness or Combined Training. Combined Training is particularly deceptive in stating that "Dual skills deal 5% more damage", while Leaping Death Blossom is practically unaffected by it. I'll also refer to the vagueness of the Might tooltip, "Increased outgoing damage; stacks intensity", because that one does indeed increase condition damage while only stating the word "damage". There's inconsistencies here, and they fooled me for a time. -Jorizen 17:31, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
But if you look at the description of Might in a skill tooltip, like "For Great Justice!", you'll see that it states a bonus to both Power and Condition Damage. The shortened description of any condition/boon in the effects monitor could be called "deceptive" because they don't state any exact numbers. Anything that states a precise bonus to damage will not affect condition damage. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 23:11, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't have a warrior so I can't speak about the in-game tooltip for For Great Justice, but the Wiki page here implies that it says "Grant fury and might to yourself and allies." Even if something in the warrior's text does indeed specify the condition damage boost, thieves have no such tooltip. Both Might and thief traits simply say "Increased damage" while these two things have different effects. -Jorizen 04:16, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Damage in the context of a trait is the direct damage inflicted by the skill. The only trait that increases condition damage is Malicious Sorcery, which refers to it directly as malice.--Relyk Christmas sig.jpg talk 04:47, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't disagree that "damage in the context of a trait is direct damage", it's just that that statement is not on the Traits page nor anywhere readily available to someone seeking info on the Combined Training trait. The discussion here is whether or not the note contains obvious or superfluous information and as Vili said, "it's definitely not an obvious thing that a player would intuitively know." -Jorizen 05:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
We can just link the "damage" term to direct damage section instead of just damage. The overview on the damage page is pretty clear that skills inflict direct damage, we might put it in giant bold letters though.--Relyk Christmas sig.jpg talk 05:50, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
The word Damage cannot be used two different ways and mean two different things throughout Wiki. On the Damage page, damage is defined as any effect from an action which results in a target losing health. It goes on to state there are three types of damage- Direct damage, Condition damage, and Falling damage. Then in specific trait pages such as Combined Training the lone word "damage" is used again but this time it only means direct damage. There's no possible way someone who hasn't played the game can know this. It's a gross omission and needs to be clarified in either the damage page or in each of the specific traits that use the word "damage" incorrectly. If you do a web search using the terms "GW2 Combined Training Leaping Death Blossom", you'll see that the majority of players out there have been fooled into thinking that the Condition Damage of their Leaping Death Blossom is being boosted by Combined Training, which it is not. The problem is ultimately in the game text, which we shouldn't modify, but a note fits the bill perfectly and is definitely needed. -Jorizen 22:49, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
So should we then go and add the same note to every single trait that boosts "damage"? There are a lot of them, and they all work the same way in that they do not affect condition damage. —Dr Ishmael User Dr ishmael Diablo the chicken.png 23:00, 30 December 2012 (UTC)