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Isn't Ventaris little tree thing found in arbor bay, part of the tarnished coast not maguuma jungle?Alari 05:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ventari has a tree in Ventari's Refuge too, but I think it died somewhere along the storyline. And that one rebloomed. But I fail at remembering Lore, so I may very well be off. --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 15:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The tree in Ventari's Refuge is a gargantuan stonewood tree, the one in this article is the tree the Sylvari come from which is in the Tarnished Coast. They are totally different, so it will need to be changed. Edit: I've changed it, i don't really edit pages but i hope its good enough :D. Ms Mina 16:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. Cress Arvein User Cress Arvein sig.JPG 04:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Map

Does the Maguuma Jungle still exist? In the new map (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Map_of_Tyria.gif), the area is called "Maguuma Wastes", which I think is associated with a desert, right? (The word "Wastes", not the "Maguuma" part, obviously) The areas of the Sylvari and the Asura are not differentiated, they are both part of the "Tarnished Coast" (or at least it looks like it). --217.129.133.230 17:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I would be for moving this article to "Maguuma Wastes". But we may need more information first. --User Phnzdvn sig.pnghnzdvn 17:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I came to this page because I noticed the map as well. So I guess a dragon destroyed the jungle? There's also "Ruins of Denravi." -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк) 18:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Or something stopped the Maguuma from flowing, I don't think there is any mention of a Dragon near the Maguuma. Perhaps the DSD tainted the waters, or maybe it was just an inevitable degeneration? --Odal talk 18:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Could be that the rapid expansion of the Asura caused the degeneration of the jungle? --Naoroji User Naoroji Golem - Green.jpg 18:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
That's why I mentioned the ruins. Usually, something dramatic happens for there to be ruins and a jungle turning into a wasteland (especially since this is a fantasy story). -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк) 18:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Well Denravi was always a secret hideout really, and with the Shining Blade taking control (of Kryta), maybe it fell into disrepair through neglection, rather than some Asuran accident. --Odal talk 18:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Plus the jungle has always had dry, barren lands. Maybe the "Wastes" are just the naming of these dry lands, rather than the desertification of the Jungle. --Riddle 18:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I think that the DSD tainted the river, causing desertification to happen a lot faster, I think they would've mentioned the jungle on the map if it was there. --Odal talk 18:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't think we should move it because of information on 1 map, plus that map leaves a ton of things out. Fantasy books usually only note locations that are important to the story of that book. We should wait and see if other information supports this. Themastermoo 20:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
It does leave a lot of towns/cities/outposts/interest points out, but it has - as any fantasy book map - the name of the areas/zones, among which there is no Maguuma Jungle. Plus, the map calls "Maguuma Wastes" to the place where the Maguuma Jungle was. It is possible that the Maguuma Jungle moved south, leaving a desert behind, but south of it are some mountains, a lake, and then the Tarnished Coast. And even if it moved south, there would be no reason not to name it, it is an important place. All the evidence indicates that, just as the Crystal Desert is now grassland, the Maguuma is now a desert. --217.129.133.230 20:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah that's a pretty good assumption, but its just that, an assumption. Its my knowledge that the wiki waits for hard fact (like waiting until the book comes out so everyone reads it and finds out if it says what happens to Maguuma) before changing names and moving things. I think we should wait a bit before moving and changing things. Themastermoo 20:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
A map does seem to be hard fact to me... --Odal talk 20:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Thats very true, but the Maguuma jungle might still be there, (The Asura and Sylvari have to live somewhere). So would it be better to create a Maguuma wastes page and edit the description to this one? Since we know the Maguuma waste is north of the Tarnished Coast. Themastermoo 20:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Rata Sum and the Grove are both on the Tarnished Coast, not in the Maguuma Wastes. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк) 02:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) We've seen references to "Maguuma Jungle" - if you look at the GW1 map, you see the jungle being both forests and arid areas. So what I think is the situation is that, seeing how the Tarnished Coast has been said to be a sub-region of the Maguuma Jungle, and that the asura and sylvari were put under "Maguuma Jungle" and not "Tarnished Coast" in the Art of Guild Wars 2, the Tarnished Coast and the Maguuma Wastes are 2 halves that make up the Maguuma Jungle. Similar to how the Northern Shiverpeaks, Southern Shiverpeaks, and the Far Shiverpeaks make up the whole of the Shiverpeak Mountains.
So yes, I'd have to say that the Maguuma Jungle still exists - after all, it hasn't changed (much) since GW1. At least in the "wastes" area. -- Konig/talk 03:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It seems as though the northern part is no longer the Maguuma Jungle at all, and the Tarnished Coast is now the Maguuma Jungle (judging from pages like quaggan). This makes no sense, because they were entirely different jungles in GW1, with different plant, animal, and fungal life entirely. Not to mention, they're pretty much separated by mountains. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк) 03:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Uh, no. The Tarnished Coast was the coast of the Maguuma Jungle - it has been stated pretty clear before that the Tarnished Coast is a sub-region of the Maguuma Jungle, and in fact, the words "Maguuma Jungle" or just simply "Maguuma" have constantly replaced "Tarnished Coast" further supporting that, though when mentioning the Tarnished Coast, it was in reference only to the coast. And it is still like that. The Maguuma Wastes is the arid parts of what was, at least, called the Maguuma Jungle - such as gw1:Dry Top and gw1:Ettin's Back - perhaps even the gw1:Sage Lands, or at least part of it. -- Konig/talk 03:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Move

Do we have any reason as to why it wouldn't be renamed? EiveTalk 02:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the previous section, the Art of Guild Wars 2 book calls the area Maguuma Jungle. Also, we got the asura and sylvari pages on the official website. There's probably more, like interviews and so forth. What do we have for "Maguuma Wastes"? One, little, map... Not to mention the page was moved without consensus. -- Konig/talk 03:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
How about we leave the page alone until the game comes out. Or is that too much to ask?--Emmisary 14:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
That's actually what I preferred, but someone went and randomly moved the page to a less used name which might not even be the same thing. -- Konig/talk 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Agree with Konig. -- Kyoshi User Kyoshi sig.png 21:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't really care either way honestly. Both names seem equally plausible. EiveTalk 23:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Restarting discussion

"The northern parts of the Maguuma Jungle have dried out, creating the wastes (the southern regions, where the asura and sylvari have set up their nations, are considered part of the Tarnished Coast). This change has been attributed to the rise of the Elder Dragons, but that has not been confirmed, and there may be other nefarious agents at work." From Jeff Grubb, interviewed by Guild Mag in Issue 5. Tarnished Coast and Maguuma Wastes are two parts of the Maguuma Jungle (southern and northern respectively). I think this is all the proof needed to move this page back to Maguuma Jungle and make a new page for Maguuma Wastes. -- Konig/talk 20:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Your other ancient magics.

Show me them.

But seriously, where did we hear about this?--Ph03n1x 22:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Art of GW2 book. Konig/talk 04:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Mount Maelstrom

Why is Mount Maelstrom listed as part of the Maguuma Jungle? That can't be correct, can it? Maar Ten 13:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

The same goes for Sparkfly Fen, since when is that Maguuma? Maar Ten 13:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
If one were to go to the Notes section of those individual pages, you'd note that it states that they count for the Maguuma Explorer achievement. Mechanically - which is what we document foremost in this case - they're in the Maguuma. Konig/talk 14:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I understand that it's important to list the locations required for the achievement, but it doesn't seem logical to do that in an article named "Maguuma Jungle". After all, those areas aren't actually part of the Maguuma Jungle. Or atleast a note on this page too. Maar Ten 20:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah it's pretty weird, especially because Sparkfly Fen / Mount Maelstrom are not even connected to the rest of Maguuma Jungle, the Sea of Sorrows is between them... --Landon144 22:38, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
it seems that technically the tarnished coast has merged with maguuma jungle in respect to locations and sparkfly fen is the same place as sparkfly swamp in gw1 and that was tarnished coast, mount maelstrom is just an addon to my knowledge  :)Spark-TBa 15:10, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, technically the Tarnished Coast was always just a sub-region of the Maguuma Jungle (literally being the Maguuma Jungle's coast - so there was no merge). Sparkfly (in both games), Verdant Cascades (in GW1) and Mount Maelstrom (in GW2) being part of the TC-related region mechanically is likely just to keep the number of zones-per-region equal(ish) to other regions. Konig/talk 15:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
With the new daily achievement (Maguuman Veteran Killer), it is shown that Caledon Forest, Metrica Province, Brisban Wildlands, Sparkfly Fen and Mount Maelstrom are officially considered part of the Maguuma Jungle. I say we keep our listing of explorable zones in Maguuma Jungle as is. 82.74.244.51 01:13, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


[edit] Explorer Achievement

OK, I was stuck at 163 of 167 on the explorer ap. I successfully figured out 3 of the 4 spots I was missing, and added a comment to what they are to the main page, to help others who may be stuck. I can't figure out what the final missing part is. Does the Proxemics Lab (Guild Puzzle) or the CoE Dungeon count for the explorer AP? Those appear to be the only remaining places I haven't got on my map. Anyone else know of anyplace really out of the way with nothing to cause you to go there?

Have you tried Calx's Hideout (Metrica Province)? It's one I missed for quite some time. - 184.175.47.103 16:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Magmatic Conjury was one that eluded me for quite some time. The area's small and the unexplored painterly appearance blends in well enough for it to be overlooked easily. That, Calx's Hideout, and Aurora's Remains are the only ones that are really hard to note - all other out-of-the-way areas are jumping puzzles. Konig 22:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Yep, got those on the map. I went through the various subsections of the jungle and looked at anything that did not have anything "in it" -- i.e., a POI, Skill Pt, Heart, or WP, and checked to see that all of them are there. That's how I found three of the four missing (Aurora's Remains was one of them, along with two of them in Mount Maelstrom) but I can't find anything else that I haven't been to that doesn't show up on the map except for the guild puzzle up in the top left of Brisban, and the Dungeon in Mt Maelstrom. I guess I'll have to try the dungeon, as I hope they didn't make a guild puzzle someplace you had to get into.
Bastards. It was the Proxemics Lab in Brisban, which you don't have to go into but only get if you run right up against the blocking "object" and slide along it to the left edge of it.
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