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Gender - EoD spoiler[edit]

Highlight empty space to see spoiler Glint calls Kralkatorrik a he... think that may be the actual gender? Since she's his champion, I think Glint would know. -- Konig/talk 02:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I still argue on whether or not Dragons (specifically Elder) can have genders. So far Glint is the only source we have, as all others have remained unmentioned. EiveTalk 06:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Based on physical traits, and the description of what Kral's breath does, the spoiler bit makes a lot of sense, though it does bring some questions about the original lore. 209.216.182.39 05:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

omg n00b logan[edit]

thx man - we could have crowned a new queen, but we wont have glint's help in fighting this dragon anymore -.- stupid noob causing partywipe across tyria Getefix 22:43, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with you but people might be able to piece together what you said here and then that comment is a spoiler :P Sjacie User:Sjacie 20:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Dude! Glint's crap. Even Alesia could outheal her fireballs long enough for a pewpew eliteless ranger, Orion, Dunham, and a not-yet-max-armor warrior to defeat her. D-shot, Savage, Dblow. I didn't even bring an IAS. Also: The queen's shit. The old mantle wouldn't pull such crap. --Boro 10px‎ 13:46, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Maybe Glint became stronger in the 250, or so, year interval from gw1. --Fey Zeal Fey Zeal 14:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Jormag[edit]

On the updated Charr race page it says that Kralkatorrik was freed from its deep tomb and then flew south. If Kralkatorrik was that "mountain" in Grothmar Wardowns then why would it say he was in a deep tomb, he was surface level. This might be the same situation as Jormag where we thought he was the dragon in the lake, then we were told that it was his champion. - Giant Nuker 20:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

jormag ISNT the one in the lake, look on his trivia, and if you were stuck beneath a mountain, you would say you were in a deep tomb, or... you wouldnt say anything at all... XD Getefix 21:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Did you read my comment, I said we thought he was in the lake, then we found out he wasn't, and he wasn't stuck underneath a mountain, Kralkatorrik was the mountain, that is why I put it in quotations. - Giant Nuker 22:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Kralkatorrik is the mountain - or rather, mountain range. Edge of Destiny states this explicitly by calling it a mountain of scales, though we see via Eye of the North that it's more of a mountain range. It would be a worse retcon than Jormag. Oddly though, Edge of Destiny makes no mention of a lake that surrounded Kralkatorrik, which worries me. Technically speaking though, if Kralkatorrik is in fact 1,000 feet tall, then his back could be a mountain/mountain range while his wings, tail, and/or head could be buried deep underneath the ground. Though I think Edge of Destiny described his head as being pretty close to the surface. -- Konig/talk 22:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I also think that it was confirmed that the "mountain of scales" was an Elder Dragon long before any books were released. Mediggo 20:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Looking at the GW2 ingame Map posted on the page "Tyria" it seems as if the Dragonbrand does not start in the Charr Homelands but in Ascalon, supporting the idea that what we thought to be Kralkatorrik is in fact not him. 91.37.77.166 17:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
The previous map showed it starting from where Kralkatorrik can be found in EotN, and the novel maps have the Dragonbrand starting further north than what's shown in the beta map. My guess is that the map was incomplete during the press beta (hence why they put the Blood Legion Homelands north, when it was previously stated to be east). Either way, you cannot claim it to be a fact that what we see in EotN is not Kralkatorrik (in fact, did Edge of Destiny state that the Dragonbrand began where Kralkatorrik awoke? I only recall statements of him corrupting the creatures, not the land, in that spot). Konig/talk 23:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


Trivia[edit]

Is it necessary? I mean Mitt Romney sounds like Romneys Kendal Mint Cake, but that doesn't mean theres any link between the pair. Jumblehunter 19:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

A lot of names in GW - especially Elder Dragon names - hold similarities to something else. Zhaitan to Shaitan (Islamic devil), Jormag to Jörmungandr (Norse myth midgard serpent that circled the world), Primordus to the latin root prime (and in turn primordium - "first to rise" which he was). So it is only expected that Kralkatorrik's name might be derived from something else, and the volcano is the closest idea. Your example is also poor imo, because Kralkatorrik's name was created for a story while Mitt Romney is a real person's name - unless his folks were joksters, they wouldn't name their child after a mint cake. Konig/talk 20:19, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
i also think there is no point of having a trivia that may or may not be right - he was depicted as a sandstorm not a volcano so i think the trivia should be removed until it is confirmed or an actual reference becomes apparent Getefix 21:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Sandstorm while awake, mountain while slumbering - I wonder what you call a mountain that "wakes up" (fun note: in Edge of Destiny, people suspected that the rumblings which were Kralk's stirring awake to be a volcano ready to blow). Konig/talk 21:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
he was called Krakatorrik before we knew the 'mountain' was actually him...plus i still dont think that having the trivia of 'his name sounds a bit like this so... trivia?' is a weak reason Getefix 22:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
"he was called Krakatorrik before we knew the 'mountain' was actually him" I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with anything? We knew of all five dragons before we knew their names - even Primordus. Konig/talk 01:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
what i mean is that the dragons had their names before we (as tyrian people from 250 years before) knew they existed - it wasnt the races now that named them so calling a dragon after a volcano when its depicted as a sandstorm makes no sense Getefix 09:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
"before we knew" References are made by ArenaNet, not by the players. We simply note them and document the ones that can't possibly be incorrect. Just because we didn't know anything, doesn't mean ArenaNet didn't create this reference upon thinking of a name to use for this Elder Dragon. - Infinite - talk 10:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
As Infinite said, the names are made by Anet, and they create references. Kralkatorrik to Tyrians wouldn't resemble anything because the volcano in question is on Earth - in reality - not on Tyria. Same with Shaitan, Jörmungandr, and primordium. So saying they were named before Tyrians knew of them is 100% unrelated to anything here. Konig/talk 19:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
but all the other dragons we know of have viable trivia, primordius rose first hence his name, zhaitan is something like demonic or death (which would explain his name satan or shaitan which is also demonic or death like) and jormag's name comes from the norse world serpent and stereotypically, the norse have lived in cold places (take the nords from skyrim who are also based on the norse) we dont know the name of bubbles but is probably got a name like oceanus or typhon (the most deadly monster of Greek mythology) or something along those lines. my point is that the reference we have for kralkatorrik is a very weak reference compared to the others we already know Getefix 19:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Zhaitan isn't really demonic, and Shaitan aka Satan is no more connected to death than God is (but there is the concept of a main adversary). And sometimes references are weak, sometimes they're strong. TBH, it doesn't matter to me if it is kept or not, but to be frank, you can't ignore the similarity - and the note doesn't say Kralkatorrik is inspired by Krakatoa, just that there's a strong similarity (add an l, replace a with a "ric" sound and bam, went from Krakatoa to Kralkatorrik). Konig/talk 20:11, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for quoting my own addition to Primordus's page and implying that the link between the dragon name and it's latin root is irrelevant.Zhaitan and Shaitan and Kralkattorik and Krakatoa are just words that sound the same, Primordus and Primordium and Primordial actually have a link both in sound and in meaning, and therefore it is highly likely that the connection was intended. Which brings me full circle to my poorly made point about Mitt Romney and Romney's Kendal mint cake. They sound the same, but have no meaningfull link, just like a volcano and a dragon. Hence, I nominate ( and I will wait to see if anyone backs me up before proceeding) to remove the trivia from this page. It just doesnt do anything. Jumblehunter 21:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

No one has said there was no link between Primordus and the latin root or that such a link is irrelevant. And I've already made my point on the volcano bit (I'll add that all dragons are constantly referred to as "forces of nature" so it isn't that far of a leap to believe that Anet looked at names of forces of natures, which includes volcanos, for inspirations for Elder Dragon names). Konig/talk 22:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Konig. Also, Primordus was first to rise and gets a name to state that. Jormag rose in the north in a Norse-eque area and gets a name similar to a Norse serpent. Zhaitan rose from underground and raises minions from the dead and gets a name very similar to a religious figure which is linked to underground (hell) and also slightly to raising the dead. Kralkatorrik was believed to be a mountain and caused little earthquakes making people think the mountain was actually a volcano and gets a name similar to a volcano. The wording on the page could be better, but I don't think it should be removed completely as it fits with the 'named by how it awoke' motif. User Mattsta Sig1.jpgUser Mattsta Sig2.jpg 22:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm obviously happy with the Primordus and Primordial link, or I wouldn't have uploaded it. I'm also happy with the Jormag and Norse serpent link, as a dragon is a breed of serpent, and Jormungadir is the norse serpent. I'm not happy with Zhaitan/Shaitan. Hell is neither underground, nor does Shaitan raise the dead. I'm not happy with Kralkatorrik/Krakatoa either. Kralkatorrik may have believed to have beena mountain, but this is irrelevant, Krakatoa isn't a mountain. Maybe if Kralkatorrik was a fiery dragon I'd agree with the volcano dragon link, but I think what you have pointed out is a coincidental similarity of names. I think we're overanalysing here, if a link isn't brutally obvious, then wait for the trivia to be confirmed by ANET.80.42.158.136 07:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I did not say Shaitan rose the dead. I said he is linked to hell and also slightly linked to raising the dead (his story in that religion ties slightly into another story in that religion that is about raising the dead). From wikipedia: "Typically these traditions locate hell under the Earth's external surface... Other traditions, which do not conceive of the afterlife as a place of punishment or reward, merely describe hell as an abode of the dead, a neutral place located under the surface of Earth." Hell is typically thought of as being located underground. If you look at the Krakatoa wiki, the first eruption they have listed there the eye-witness accounts saying along the lines of "There was a rumble in that mountain, then a rumble from a second mountain, then the third mountain erupted into a volcano" which is similar to how they heard rumblings in the mountain before Kralkatorrik erupted out of it. Also, not all volcanoes spew fire and lava. There are many active ones that just spew dust and ash into the sky, and Kralkatorrik alive is supposed to be like a big dust storm/cloud. Like I said before, the trivias we have now seem to match up fairly closely to how the dragons awoke. User Mattsta Sig1.jpgUser Mattsta Sig2.jpg 17:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
There is a bigger similarity to Shaitan than the hell-is-underground bit - in GW1 almost all Orrian names (read: Khilbron and Orrian undead found in Kryta) had names similar to or of Arabic origins - with Shaitan being of Arabic origins as well (latinized spelling of the Arabic name for Satan), and Zhaitan being in Orr, and there being only one letter difference... See my point?
Kralkatorrik is the only questionable one. Konig/talk 20:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Concept Art[edit]

Wasn't that concept art from Sorrow's Embrace of Glint, not Kralkatorrik? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Larynx (talk).

It's missing the "beard" that Glint has and is of a different color, however (and slightly different design, too smooth along the shoulders for instance). Konig/talk 20:22, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Another Concept art[edit]

At 4:22 of the Guild Wars 2 Teaser Trailer there is a concept art of a dragon in a desert. It doesn't look like Glint, and the only other dragon we know he lives in a desert is Kralkatorrik. --Landon144 12:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Though it isn't big enough to be Kralkatorrik either. It is most likely just a random conceptual piece of concept art (a lot are made in beginning development as random ideas that writers may make something out of - e.g., how sanctuaries were formed). And there's also Glint's chil(ren). Or drakes. Or it might not be the Crystal Desert, but Maguuma Wastes or some such. Konig/talk 13:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)